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I was just noting that the chains could have been adjusted and made to work smoothly. Xman noted that with a slip hook the system couldn't be adjusted. Definately not my system of choice but no excuse for the poor rigging shown!
 
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Great day guys! So just to recap everything we've learned...

-PPE is alright as long as it looks cool, but near the end of the day, well meh who really cares the dangerous work is already done right!

-Speaking of dangerous work, if ever anyone asks you to do something unsafe, like say oh I don't know, say they ask you to cut a limb weighing thousands of pounds that's obviously dangerously rigged and you're worried about loss of life/limb/cranium, whatdoyado? Yes you in the back, that's right you footlock up there and cut it! Tree guys aren't pussys that worry about danger, we awkwardly cut it right in the guts!

-Now I noticed a few of you need to buy a few more dozen bits of deadweight to hang on your harness, because if you every slip as you're not wearing gaffs, well some of that garbage on the back of your belt is sure to snag on something!


Was anyone able to identify a trainer? They all looked fairly amateur...

I felt bad for that poor little chipper.
 
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I was just saying, "I guess" they can't be adjusted. I am not familar with those chain rigs at all and just assumed they must not be adjustable when I saw all the movements.

Coincidence though, my cousin said he had a crane chain rigging setup he just got and wanted to know if I wanted to buy it cheap.

I took a picture of it with cell phone.

smaller version of what they were using I think,

Now I see how the chain can be shortened up by hooking it on the chain hook located on the few chain links near the ring. pic attached.

Since the legs of this are adjustable in length, looks like it could be a useful rig if used correctly. I personally don't want that heavy stuff flopping around me though on my k-boom.

So, I have no idea why they were jolting peices like that in the video, besides just not knowing enough.

I only watched the video once, but I recall the head height, no helmet wedge wacking and all the junk haning off the climbers saddle. I thought the same things, funny.
 

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OH MY GOSH!

just watched part ONE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA5Cp6ZC4qs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

If you don't have time, go to 3:55 in part one.

Really bad judgement on the spider leg tensioning and placement!

Suprized they didn't turn that crane over that day.

The crane opporator should have left after this pick!

The scary thing is, you know they had even worse picks that they didn't let be seen.

Look how bad the crane is still rocking after that pick at 3:55.

another bad one at 7:59.

There is big risk turning over the crane or braking the crane but a climber could have easily been killed on these bad picks too.

So much created tension ready to take someones head off. Unreal.

Maybe they were teaching what NOT to do?

and I thought part two was bad on that butt log pick, when i had watched it and it was pivoting, I yelled to my wife, "THEY ARE GOING TO TURN THAT CRANE OVER!" but it didn't happen, and they skipped a section of video, I kind of think the opperator cabled down to stop the shock load and let the ground take it.

Yeah, part one is real bad.

Awesome awesome tree. I see where the V-crotch spar ripped off the tree and I see the other weak V-crotch areas too, big deal! Instruct the students how to correctly bolt and cable it instead.

maybe the tree just seemed too darn scary tall, especially compared to all the topped deciduous trees all around the area. Wonder is the students top them?

yeah, this video sucks.
 
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These videos are a disgrace to arboriculture. Not only that they're a disgrace to the human race.

I very rarely get shocked by anything, but the total disregard for personal safety exhibited by all the people in these videos is startling, the level of apathy towards life is sickening.

The trainees have no excuse either, if they had an ounce of sense between them they should have had a mutiny against the instructors.

I assume this video is from France or Belgium, feel very sorry for all the good French and Belgium arborists who have to suffer this travesty of arboriculture by their fellow countrymen.
 
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OH MY GOSH!

just watched part ONE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA5Cp6ZC4qs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

If you don't have time, go to 3:55 in part one.

Really bad judgement on the spider leg tensioning and placement!

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Yup, one of the worse picks that I've seen in a long time. I'm not one to criticize another man's work, but come on, they HAD to have known that those picks could have been rigged better?
 
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unbelievable, 17 guys and none got hurt. what's with the numbers on the tree, did someone actually map out the takedown before the crew showed up? the numbers remind me of a crime scene. should be a test of what a 60T grove can take for impact @ 15 meters radius. excellant Darwin award material.
 
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I watched the second video first. I haven't done many crane removals. I recognized that the picks weren't balanced very well but overall nothing struck me as too horrible. Then I watched the first video. I probably can't pick out as many mistakes as most of you but, wow! Even I recognized some serious danger there. Some of those pieces seemed entirely uncontrolled. And, I feared for the stability of the crane.

On a side note, some of you have mentioned their use of chains. On the one crane removal I did, I used cable chokers provided by the crane owner/operator. I think they were lighter weight than the chains, however the memory in the steel cables made them a real pain to maneuver around the pieces. Do cables have any advantage over textile slings? Slings seem to be the way to go. Is there something about them I don't know?
 
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3:55!!!
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The guy didn't flinch that load flipped so fast!


I liked the zoom in shot on the chain on the gate!
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6:33 WTH?!

8:00 actually gave me an ulcer! I need some Pepto now.

Was this a paid, crane assisted tree removal seminar? I sure hope not.
 
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Great tree. NEVER seen a cedrus atlantica of that size! Amazing.

I am shocked by the bad placement of chains on that removal!
Have never seen anything like 3:55. That is the worst judgement I have ever seen. Of cause a rookie can make a mistake while doing the ut, but shouldn't the instructor notice where you place the chains?? If not, why is the instructor there at all?!!
And scary to watch, that they attach (part 2 8:50) the last pick that low. And only from one side, so it flips to one side when the crane cable up. Bad instruction from the supervisors!
I would have put two chains on, and choked them from each side, so the log would hang vertical / stabile, and placed them as high as possible.

...speaking of chains. In Denmark we always use chains, as spiderlegs (unfortunately) aren't approved yet. But (!) the chains I use are easy to shorten at the attachment ring, if nessesary.

Be safe out there :-)
 
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For sure, see the unbalanced pick at around the 4:00 mark? Whole main boom of the crane was shaking pretty good! Seems like they didn't have to good of communication with the operator as well, those chains had a lot of slack in them when he made the final cut and the piece was allover the place! Very dangerous indeed
 
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MY GOD If I were the operator I would have set that pick at the 4 min mark on the ground picked up the outriggers and left no way I would be held resposible for killing somebody.

Seriously somebody should have known that was going to happen, that much brush and a sling less than 5' from the climber.
 
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In France, we are not really trained to the crane removal... Personnaly I've never done that, so I won't criticize...
Anyway, now the kids know what to do and not!!!
 
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