Carabiner on spliced throwline

[hillbilly]

This might have been discussed before, anyway here
is how my system turned out, see attached image.
The splice is easily made with a large needle.
The biner costed $1 a pair and have actually
the key-lock gate and the "Not for climbing", cute.
The eye on the climbing line is made with dyneema thread
and useful when retrieving the rope-guide with the retrieval
ball as well.
Now I really need to stop using ladders.

 

[hillbilly]

Trying attachment again

 

[NickfromWI]

Looks good!!! A bit more gradual of a taper might prevent chafe in one little area, but how convenient is that!! It will surely save a little bit of time on the job.

love
nick

 

[Kevin]

Looks good but I see a problem with that biner getting caught on a branch.

 

[Icabod]

I would love to see pics posted of step by step to make that splice, though I think I see it...

I would love to form just a spliced eye in each end of my throwline, as I use a keychain 'biner for attachment to my saddle, and I girth hitch my throwbag. That 'biner will get caught, as have my small fig-8 that I have been using for making the end loops.

Thanks,

 

[hillbilly]

You asked for it...
http://www.farfarsfavoriter.com/~oskar/throwline_splice.pdf

The large eye which can be girth hitched around the throwbag
is a nice way of attaching the throwline.

You will need Acrobat reader to open the splice instructions.
Get it at www.acrobat.com

 

[Icabod]

Thank you so much.

Will post pics of the finished product with bags girth hitched. This is going to look sweet!

Thanks,

 

[NickfromWI]

WOW- those are some sharp looking instructions! Make sure you lock stitch that splice. Heaven forbid you pull the bury out while pulling your line up after making a difficult toss with the throwline! I reccomend the Mobius Brummell locking splice. It's about as quick and CAN'T pull out!

love
nick

 

[Nod]

Hej Hillbilly

Very cute little splice mate, but I can only see that mini-biner catching open on a twig just when it's critical. You've hit a top score with 45 seconds left on the clock (just enough time to attach your access line & install it), & that biner opens through some frith on its descent. Pleased? I don't think so! Maybe you'll go for the long eye & girth hitch next time.!!!?

Good luck
Nod

 

[hillbilly]

Nod, for competition I prefer a ladder.

I have had the long splice on for a couple of weeks
before I found these dwarf-biners. Time will tell if
I should have stuck with the long splice.

 

[Kevin]

You could always slip plastic tubing over th gate opening to lock it.

 

[NickfromWI]

here\'s the perfect carabiner..

for this application, a tiny locking carabiner would do the trick...

http://www.bisondesigns.com/aluminum/carabiners/minilinksm.htm

I'm gonna get me one of those!

love
nick

 

[hillbilly]

Re: here\'s the perfect carabiner..

My money is on the "dancing bear biner"
www.bisondesigns.com/aluminum/customshapes/dancingbearbiner.htm

 

[Mark Chisholm]

Re: here\'s the perfect carabiner..

Nick,

I just got an order from them yesterday. I'll let you know if they look well made.

 

[NickfromWI]

Re: here\'s the perfect carabiner..

Don't worry, I think those things can hold like 200lbs. You should be fine! You weigh less than that, right? If not, I'd lay off the meat for a while!

love
nick

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Re: here\'s the perfect carabiner..

I've seen those little screw gates at Galyan's and REI. For light stuff they will be fine.

The joke has been made that if the little biners are good for 200# loads, how many would you need to clip into to get a good safety factor?

 

[NickfromWI]

Re: here\'s the perfect carabiner..

Twenty to one is good enough, methinks. So it'd be pretty convenient to open and close all those twenty little "'biners" every time you gotta clip and unclip!

climb safe and stick with petzl!

love
nick

 

[NickfromWI]

I don\'t reccomend this....

Come to mention it, one day when I worked at The Care of Trees, I decided to try out a little key chain carabiner. I tied in with the little one (it had no notch and pin on the gate like many real carabiners), then clipped with a Petzl Am'D as well. The keychain one, being smaller would be the one holding the weight through out the climb. In case of failure, the larger Petzl would have caught me.
I climbed for about 2 hours like that, with no distortion of the keychain biner what so ever. However, at the end, as I was climbing down, I was curious. I pulled my self up on the rope, slack forming between my hands and the connections to my saddle. With about 3 feet of slack, I let the rope go and dropped the 3 feet. This little jolt stretched that carabiner right open. It's hanging on my rear view mirror if you wanna see it!

Moral of the story: Keep stuff like this away from the Crew Leader. He'll say you're wasting time! (which might be true)

love
nick

 

[joe]

Re: here\'s the perfect carabiner..

Tom Wrote(and I painstakenly retyped):</font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
The joke has been made that if the little biners are good for 200# loads, how many would you need to clip into to get a good safety factor?

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Disregarding angles, a minimum of 5 are needed. No joke.

Joe

 

[Nod]

What competition would that be? Next years STCC maybe?

See you there if that's the case. On second thoughts, do you do comps? Maybe we've rubbed shoulders &amp; not realised it!!

Good luck
Nod