Canola?

[ATH]

I've been using 100% canola for a few years with little issues...so this isn't a question about the pros and cons of that.

I had read somewhere that clear Canola was "better". (Don't think I ever saw a reason). Gordon Food Service has it so I stopped in to pick some up. Ingredients say "Canola with Dimethypolysiloxane to reduce foaming"

Thoughts? My initial thought is that antifoam sounds like a good thing. But I don't know that using in a saw will cause much foaming and I should just stick with what works.

Reading more about Dimethypolysiloxane on Wikipedia:
"PDMS is viscoelastic, meaning that at long flow times (or high temperatures), it acts like a viscous liquid, similar to honey. However, at short flow times (or low temperatures), it acts like an elastic solid, similar to rubber."

and further down:
"Condom lubricant
PDMS is widely used as a condom lubricant."

So, sure it is a lubricant...but not all of us operate a condom at speeds exceeding 80' per second...so the impact of heat will be different. However, it, apparently is more fluid at the higher temp.

I'm gonna buy a gallon of the regular stuff for now and will go back to Gordon if further reconsideration leads that way.

 

[Dan Cobb]

The maximum PDMS content allowed in canola oil is 10mg/kg. I doubt there's a detectable difference with or without when using as B&C oil. Anti-foaming properties of PDMS are only significant at high temps, as in deep frying.

 

[JD3000]

You lost me at condom

 

[SeanRuel]

LOL, I hesitate to ask, but Where'd you lose it?

 

[ATH]

You lost me a condom

LOL, I hesitate to ask, but Where'd you lose it?

Just to be clear...I didn't have anything to do with him losing a condom (at least as far as I know)!

 

[evo]

Buy a little of it, and use it for a while in your oldest saw. If it isn’t satisfactory or causes issues Donate it to Russia for their war efforts.

 

[cerviarborist]

"So, sure it is a lubricant...but not all of us operate a condom at speeds exceeding 80' per second."

Speak for yourself, bub.

 

[Serf Life]

They say “bub” in Florida too? Love the phrase but never heard outside of New England

 

[evo]

They say “bub” in Florida too? Love the phrase but never heard outside of New England

they say it here in the PNW too, but it's more less common heady insult..

 

[Serf Life]

Gotcha, lived in WA and norcal for stints but must have had it said behind my back… Around here (coastal fishing town) it is generally a friendly familiar like “hey man” or “how’s it going bud?” I had a friend in high school named bub, hope he didn’t move to PNW.

 

[JD3000]

They say “bub” in Florida too? Love the phrase but never heard outside of New England

Midwest too

 

[ATH]

they say it here in the PNW too, but it's more less common heady insult..

I think that is relatively universal. However, from somebody operating at those speeds, I'll take in stride.

 

[evo]

Midwest too

Crap, I thought that midwestern liked me..

 

[JD3000]

Crap, I thought that midwestern liked me..

Well, Bubba would be a term of endearment

 

[Vicente]

I picked up a 35lbs of soybean oil 4.65 gallons at smart and final for 42$ it seems to be working fine on my saws up to my 362 with a 28" bar, the oil is pretty thin though and not sure it would be adequate for my 661 with 36" bar. I noticed all the other bulk oils there had citric acid to "retain freshness" I wasn't sure if the would be an oxidizer in my saw which is why I went with the soy oil.

 

[ATH]

Interesting.... didn't know soy oil would work. Canola (previously known as rapeseed oil) has a very long history as a machine lubricant...

 

[southsoundtree]

Rapeseed - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Canada Oil Low-acid
Can-o-l-a

This is a cultivar of rapeseed oil, high in the specific acid which is listed in canola.


When I worked for a government agency, we used canola exclusively, including in 660s with 36"s, full buried (chasing around) in felling cuts commonly. Years of service.

We rarely used the MS880 with the 50" and 60" Cannon bars. When we did, it was canola. Can't speak to the wear on those size and manufacturer of bars.

 

[canopyking]

I've been convinced....

Currently I'm out of bar oil and will be buying canola.

 

[SunnybrookTree]

Photo shows 2 potential drawbacks of canola. I used it for a couple years exclusively in my equipment but am back to petrochemicals for now. I found it to be tacky and consequently keeps more dirt and grime on the saw and scabbards, sawbox, etc. Second, it took me a bit to figure out what was going on but depending on your rodent population you may find your saws attract some attention.

 

[ATH]

View attachment 82327Photo shows 2 potential drawbacks of canola. I used it for a couple years exclusively in my equipment but am back to petrochemicals for now. I found it to be tacky and consequently keeps more dirt and grime on the saw and scabbards, sawbox, etc. Second, it took me a bit to figure out what was going on but depending on your rodent population you may find your saws attract some attention.

It definitely holds more fine sawdust.

Never knew about the rodents!