Brummel Burry

Hey Nick, I'm running pretty low, 4' and some odd inches, maybe not enough to do anything with. I'll see if I can't get it to you but I'm getting married in two weeks! Not much time to get anything done. I should have gotten more but I didn't know if I'd like it or not.

When you cut the strands you can tell where the polyester is, it's the white white fibers in the middle of the strands surounded by the technora. I probably would have guessed only 10% poly. As far as a class two splice I'm only 1.5" from two full fids in what I buried anyways, Enough to feel plenty safe.

Brion, the "low and slow" isn't so much to test the splice as much as the characteristics of the rope itself, you don't want to find out fifty foot up that you should have had one more wrap in your friction hitch, or have it set up so tight you can't go anywhere without a struggle. Not too long ago I snapped a 'biner just to test an eye and eye cord that I thought was suspect, it might have been suspect, but like I said stronger than the rest of my equipment.
 
Sorry, one more thing! Nick I missed this earlier...

"I've found that by doing a longer, more gradual crossover, I can keep them tips in, even in a looser rope like Yalex. Where I tend to get loose ends popping out is where there is a lot of cut strands all in one spot."

Yes! like yalex that's softer, not coated (yalex is coated, right?), a slicker material and a pain in the a$$ to cut. My wax idea would be to add almost like a urethan (spelling?) coating, but don't worry, I won't try it, I'm pretty sure you guys talked me out of doing it.
 
4' is a little short for me to splice it the way I'd like to. Regardless, you're getting married soon, so I'm sure rope is only a minor priority ;)

Anyone else tried splicing this rope?

love
nick
 
Nick, I have to join you in thanking Brion for stopping by.

Brion, you expertise is always welcome and your opinion highly regarded. Thanks!

Nick, I know it's under 5' though it might be closer to 5' than 4', if you want I can try and get it to you. It's different stuff, that's for sure, like a hollow braid made from the core of beeline... tighter yes, but not real tight and without the jacket to provide support, slick stuff, and soft too. I do really like it though, works well.
 
Hi Nick,
Yes, I was speaking of grommets, as that's what we'd typically apply this structure to, but yes, the same technique works on short eye/eye constructions.
By the way, might a grommet work for this application, with a different or related knot?
Fair leads,
Brion
 
You are all most kind to welcome me here. I am enthralled by this aspect of rigging, both as rigging per se, and for the acrobatics you guys put it to use in. Just attended a regional ISA tournament, and am still shaking my head in wonder.
Fair leads,
Brion toss
 
Kevin, the rope does end up more a 3/8" than a 5/16". My experience on a 5 wrap distel, a 5/16" line sets up hard after a descent, a 3/8" like ultra tech is too stiff, and your right, it doesn't grab well.

Ice Tail is really soft and when I climbed on it it's super gripy but never real freezes up, it seems like no matter what you do you can always just grab the distel and it's going to slide easily. I'm impressed with it, it works with the hitch I like to climb on. You might be right for how you climb, or this stuff might work really well for you.
 
Hello Folks

Hopefully this is not side tracking too much, but I wonder if you could add some thoughts to this little nugget.
I have discovered 3/8" tenex double carrier slings, used for tying friction hitches in an open system.These are terminated at each end with a locked brummel, bury & whip. My concern here is that the bury is no more than 3" in length & 21 times RD would give a bury of 7.5".

Therefore, do you feel comfortable with this equation bearing in mind these slings are being used for life support?

Many thanks
Nod
 
On a tress cord the bury before the taper is a short fid (roughly 8d I think). 8x3/8"=3", depending on the rope, rope with a shallower helix angle (a looser braid) would need more to help hold the tail together.

I'd say its fine, assuming its 3" before the taper starts!
 
HI Lumberjack

I'm afraid that the whole bury is only 3" in total, which is why it's somewhat alarming to say the least.

Also, it would be so much easier to talk about rope diameters rather than fid lengths as I figure that fid lengths are variable?

Cheers
Nod
 
Fid lengths and rope diameters are both variable. There is a set "fid length" for each diameter of rope. One should be able to use them both interchangably.

I think part of the problem here is that we don't have adequate manufacturers recommendations on how to splice Beeline.

love
nick
 
and Yale won't tell you either, last time I emailed them they just flat out ignored me. As I had posted in the past, though not recommended, 5/16" beeline spliced with a standard class I dbl braid splice was stronger than recommended life support carabiner (23kN?).

It's a shame they've kinda left a bitter taste in my mouth, I think they have some of the best rope, I'm always really impressed with the quality. And it's odd because they have some pretty neat published info, like energy absorption vs. torque load for example.
 
Nick, I just emailed to whatever the address was for their contact info. This has actually happened a few times, usually it takes one or two emails before I don't get one back (all regarding beeline). Regardless I would have felt better and been more understanding if someone there could have relayed this information to me, what is ignoring me going to do for customer relations? They've given someone the impression that their customer service sucks, which I guess might not be the case, and now I'm on a web forum posting about it where anyone in the industry across the world can see. They should keep their contact personnel in the loop and take an honest approach to dealing with this.

Ok, now that I have that off my chest (sorry, seems to be standard corporate proceedure these days). Beeline does present it's differences, strong class II fibers inside and out and braid strands mixed of completely different material. Any idea what issues they are facing in trying to decide?
 
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