Brand/company Q's...Is Notch owned by Sherrill? What brands are worth/not-worth buying from?

Crimsonking said:
As for vertical speed line, steel biners for me. Easy on and off. In dbr, the reason I don’t always like the ring in play is just how much friction is added. The MA boosts the effect of any friction in the system, and I often find it too much. There are exceptions, but generally I prefer the blocks. There’s a smoothness that’s difficult to quantify. The biggest exception is when there’s risk of smacking the trunk with a 1k lb piece with a block in play. Rings are great there. Though, I did smash an aluminum block against a protruding nub with a 1k piece in dbr, with no sign of damage, so there’s that. Truly, we all have a preferred approach to our work, and momentum in method should not be overlooked. I may use a seemingly slower method, but I have years of experience in applying that method well, I may be faster than someone less-versed in a newer, more efficient method. Now, the long game should be considered as well. Though I may be fast in my approach, could sacrificing momentum to learn a new approach lead to better efficiency, ergonomics, safety, which are all key to the long game?

All that to say- of rings are your jam, use them in every way you can. If you ever see a need for something else, be willing to pivot. A mentor of mine would commit to a new technique/tool/whatever for three months to determine its place, or to see if he could say with finality he hated it. He discovered new favorites in things he thought he would never like.
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WOW what a great way to look at things!! You are right in that rings are my thing right now, though that's simply the product of me being new and, after researching them, finding they worked well for me - I've zero real-world comparisons of snubbing heavy loads from a block v rings (though I've got a lot of faith in people like Reg Coates / @Reg who'll say they no longer use blocks at all, that is a bold statement from a revered expert and, well, it just made sense insofar as the physics of it IE that, in most instances, friction-free isn't a positive!

In looking at the dbr tech some more after posting I can see how much use it has, not necessarily for heavier-than-otherwise-safe loads but (for me at least) but moreso for when the load is substantial and the TIP's for anchoring just suck, and in those cases I definitely see it.

Out of curiosity, when you're doing a "regular" rigging job, do you use blocks then? If you came to a site and the job was to dismantle a 35' pine tree or something minimal, or really anything where it's "simple/normal" rigging, in those cases are you ever making a "blocks instead of rings" choice? I totally see the use for dbr (and the aforementioned stuff like lifting/hauling/mech.adv.), and don't think blocks are useless, I'm still just uncertain whether blocks have a place as a terminal anchor on normal/routine rigging IF you've got, say, a double-ringed (XL rings) sling on site anyways....am curious if there's any situations in 'normal, routine rigging' where a block is still favored!

After seeing your reply to the Sentinel post I realize you're a principal in the whole notch/sherrill/rope-logic/treehouse company/consortium/whatever, gotta say thanks for being so cool in the thread here it says a ton about your character :)
 
eyehearttrees said:
'Us'? Jeeebus how many principles from notch/sherrill/rope-logic/treehouse are regular posters here? Are you guys the primary parties to the company? Would definitely have more faith if I knew that all the principals in the company were active climbers +/- actively participating in the industry beyond selling wares.....I like virtually everything about what's being done except the name-foolery (both the two-retail-outlets for one company and, far moreso, the re-stamping of other products to this Notch "company")

I'll be candid and just ask it- is the principle of putting the Notch logo on certain wares to imply that Notch is its own organization? It is very hard to see it any other way... If so, what is the justification for that? Why not just call the Safebloc "XAS Safebloc", why call someone else's rope "Kraken"? Doesn't that leave more power in the consumer's hands, so they can choose? Obviously you're not going to assert that all these myriad products Notch sells, that are coming from all over, somehow have a consistent level of quality in the manner that a single manufacturer would - so why obfuscate the origin of products? Sherrill already seemed a major retailer, doing well listing other brands, which is why I'm finding it so hard to find a good-faith explanation for calling products Notch and positioning them as-if Notch was just another brand featured in the Sherrill catalog...
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“Us” referred to everyone following the thread. As for Sherrill owning Sterling, the president (previous owner) still runs the show. Buyouts are often done to expand opportunities for the purchased company, not dissolve them. Check out the How I Built This podcast to hear several stories of how being bought allowed companies to deliver better value to their customers.
 
eyehearttrees said:
WOW what a great way to look at things!! You are right in that rings are my thing right now, though that's simply the product of me being new and, after researching them, finding they worked well for me - I've zero real-world comparisons of snubbing heavy loads from a block v rings (though I've got a lot of faith in people like Reg Coates / @Reg who'll say they no longer use blocks at all, that is a bold statement from a revered expert and, well, it just made sense insofar as the physics of it IE that, in most instances, friction-free isn't a positive!

In looking at the dbr tech some more after posting I can see how much use it has, not necessarily for heavier-than-otherwise-safe loads but (for me at least) but moreso for when the load is substantial and the TIP's for anchoring just suck, and in those cases I definitely see it.

Out of curiosity, when you're doing a "regular" rigging job, do you use blocks then? If you came to a site and the job was to dismantle a 35' pine tree or something minimal, or really anything where it's "simple/normal" rigging, in those cases are you ever making a "blocks instead of rings" choice? I totally see the use for dbr (and the aforementioned stuff like lifting/hauling/mech.adv.), and don't think blocks are useless, I'm still just uncertain whether blocks have a place as a terminal anchor on normal/routine rigging IF you've got, say, a double-ringed (XL rings) sling on site anyways....am curious if there's any situations in 'normal, routine rigging' where a block is still favored!

After seeing your reply to the Sentinel post I realize you're a principal in the whole notch/sherrill/rope-logic/treehouse company/consortium/whatever, gotta say thanks for being so cool in the thread here it says a ton about your character :)
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If I’m rigging a pine, I prefer a block. Sappy ropes combined with non-moving components can lead to unpredictable and unwanted rope behavior. If an oak or any non-pitchy tree, sure, aerial friction is cool. It can be especially nice when short-staffed. The drawbacks are- friction adjustments are not as finely tuned as a portawrap, the climber must adjust the friction, and pulling the rope back after a rig can be tough. Oh, and hockling can be a bigger issue.

No, I’m not an employee of Sherrill. Just a buzzer referring to fellow buzzers.
 
eyehearttrees said:
Ex ANTAL innovates a great product, Dave stamps them with X-Rigging and gets them a lot of publicity (props for that Dave!), then Sherrill retails them to the world- this is great, up until the point that the desire to erase x-rigging, and add 'notch', comes up
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No concern for antal when David took their name off of the rings? The last that I heard, I believe in a podcast interview with David Driver (possibly educated climber), David sold the rights to/ began working with sherrill to produce, market, and sell the x-rings.
 
eyehearttrees said:
THIS is a great way of phrasing my concerns over Sherrill/Treehouse calling out-of-house produced goods "Notch". We ALL, if we care at least, give a damn about the integrity of the company that is making (not re-selling) the gear we use. I've ZERO issue with Sherrill sourcing things from all over, in fact I LIKE that. It's when they obscure the manufacturer and instead stamp Notch on it that bothers me, as this is clearly a move that makes the average-reader of adverts think that Notch is its own company, when it is not. It leads one to think they can expect a consistent degree of integrity, since they expect Notch is a consistent entity, when in fact it's stamping-brands not producing.

You say "in an industry which many of the products are life-support, they have many of their products made by other industry leaders and not just anyone".....1st, 'most-of'? That, in a sentence with life-support, is a major issue (though I'll grant that you probably just didn't want to use the absolute 'all' w/o being positive so will ignore that one) But, if the products are being made by "industry leaders" then why not just list it those companies? Surely everyone sees the conflict-of-interest when Sherrill puts out a magazine and places Notch as company alongside others w/o any indication that Notch doesn't have its own facilities.....do Notch products get promoted in a way that's deceptive or do we assume that, sure, they're obfuscating product-origins, but when it comes to promotion they are being 100.0% honest? Nick seems like a great guy, but almost-everyone (and I'm not excluding myself here) is prone to selfishly going after their own incentives, and in a context like this it is VERY easy to imagine how profits could become more important than innovation or even safety- hell just consider the example of Weaver trying to stifle Mumford's innovations so they can have a slightly better edge on their knee-ascenders, it's not surprising/confusing why they'd do it, but they do it all the same- with Sherrill/Treehouse/Notch there are all the hallmarks of aggressive sales (from Notch being presented as its own entity to having 2 store-fronts for the same enterprise), the only uncertain thing is whether the quality is there which is usually assessed by trust in a brand, with Notch it's trust in...Nick Bonner and nameless people at Sherrill, so far as I can tell. Nick seems a good guy but that doesn't change the fact that products that are supposedly from "industry leaders" are being promoted as-if they were coming from an entity called Notch when it's really just a sub-set of brands in the Sherrill inventory that they're able to stamp Notch on. I know Nick is claiming to be all-over the design of everything, maybe he was for the Portawrap and the Safebloc but it's hard to think that's the case considering the age of the portawrap, and the well documented usage of the THT/Safebloc by Dave before it became a Notch product. Even if I ignored those, and even if I found Nick to be the most-reputable guy ever, I could never buy life-support gear based on 1 guy's promise that he's involved in every part of it, and short of him the entire operation just reeks of for-profit regardless of what's best for the industry.

This was always an interesting economic paradigm to me, in BMX we were all very very big on only supporting rider-owned brands but in reality it was "rider-owned brands that are doing what they do to advance things, and profit from doing so", because at one point pretty much all BMX brands were started by a biker, but - just like here in arborism and in most niches - some companies get big, the owners get rich and begin to care more about their company than the industry served, these are avoided like the plague by serious bmx'ers and for good reason (may sound silly to you guys but we did things where bad hardware could most-certainly cause massive injury even fatalities, not to the degree of arbor stuff but you are still in the position of trusting your body/your safety to a product, ergo knowing that the producers are for the industry first and profits second is incredibly important) With Notch eager to put their stamp on all these products, with them positioning Notch among other brands (instead of "Notch lineup by Sherrill", I mean I couldn't imagine setting that up w/o acknowledging it and not feel like I was a liar..), it leaves Nick's assurances as the sole thing that'd make me think Sherrill/Notch/Treehouse(are there more?) is more concerned with the industry than with profit. Profit motive is fine, it's understandable, but it's equally understandable that the users would want to buy from people whose sole concern is the product not their company or profits. It's almost funny in a way because it seems that in many niche industries the companies aren't "one or the other", but in fact tend to just start out "for their hobby/profession" and, once successful in their operations, shift their priorities.
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DUDE! No one is responding to your outrageous rants obsessing over Notch because they don't know where to start or where it will end. In order to address the absolute nonsense your spouting would require more time than most employed individuals in this industry have to spare..
You entire theory on Notch soley hinges on the gear not being up to snuff to begin with, which you have presented absolutely 0 evidence of... just a bunch of "if so facto" & assumptions based on an industry you literally just started learning.... Sherrill can place Notch products on every single page of their catalog if they want, it's their frigging catalog!! If the shit was subpar we would be the first to know & would choose not to buy it based on our EXPERIENCE comparing it to other products out there! They can also rebrand whatever the hell they want!! Both parties agree to rebranding, you understand this right??? Notch Equipment sells equipment! Sherriltree is the parent company! Wtf is the problem?!?! Rebranding?? You don't like it, don't buy it!! If it's junk or unsafe products, the market will reject it!! Not only that, but anyone with a minute in this industry, knows Notch is owned by Sherrill.. You gunna throw away your Atlas now cuz Sherril bought them??? You gunna set fire to your super cool Saturn sedan cuz they were owned by GM??? The nonsense just doesn't reflect the reality of it all.

This obsession is not healthy my friend.. there's a lot that needs correcting in this thread.

Btw.. i don't even like Sherrill!! I find they are too damn expensive & I choose to shop elsewhere, but that's my right as a consumer & has nothing to do with them having a sister company.. just like they have the right to charge what they want or put Notch on every single page of their catalog knowing their consumer base understands the simple connection.. In fact it's just the opposite of what your suggesting, people trust this new line called Notch because they know it's made by Sherrill, a company they can trust to introduce safe products into the work force..
 
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There have been so many ludicrous and completely unfounded assertions, sly suppositions and every other type of declaration, inference, and intonations made in this thread that I simply can't and won't even try to address them all anymore.

What I can say is that most of what user: ihearttrees has said is false and or severely misinformed. Clearly a lot of half-true facts and knowledge rooted in a LOT of reading and research of online forums, but please don't be influenced by these comments and assertions.

If anyone has concerns that they ever want to discus about TreeStuff, Notch Equipment or anything else they can email me directly nick@treestuff.com or call/text my personal cell phone at 440.989.0444. I'll also be at TCIA with the TreeStuff team in Pittsburgh in just a few days if you want to come share a beer with me.

Nick Bonner
General Manager - Treestuff.com
Lead Product Designer - Notch Equipment
 
eyehearttrees said:
Again this is just another thread you chose to start before you did complete unbiased research into the topics.
If you did your due diligence, very simple searches in our archives here and Google and YouTube will yield you a ton of text, diagrams and videos on rigging and how and when and where you want friction in your system to yield desirable results.
Your still green and your trying to argue with guys that have so much experience. Very smart guys. Do your research first and when these guys give you input you should just be thankful then research everything they spoke of before and instead of just firing back your first argumentive thought. Everybody is trying to help you here dude!!!!!
Your smart enough to know you shouldn't have to even wonder how or why guys use blocks and why blocks last longer.
You've derailed your own thread in trying to prove your right about rings. If your right your right. Use rings and be happy. You'll eventually see the use for blocks and appreciate it.
Then when I think your trying to buy the right gear, you say you've spent thousands and make it sound as if your willing and going to spend much more, then why do you have knock off ascenders from China? You may think it's not life support but how can you be so sure at your level of experience that your missing something? That if one of those fails, it won't cause another failure or problem in turn. Then your logic of, " if they fail it's just medical bills, I won't die" trust me you do not want any Injuries ever. Injuries destroy you financially and will make future climbing physically and mentally so much harder. Now after you recover many employers consider you a liability and don't want you climbing or working for them at all.
When buying your gear make sure everything is the best you can afford man it's worth it if this is what you do for a living then the gear pays for itself over and over again.
Again I don't make long posts like this, I'm doing it because I care about you and want you to get better and do this forever. You are a very smart man or woman and you are an innovative thinker that could possibly make something that changes the way we all work some day or you could just be a statistic that gives all your earnings to doctors.
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Thanks for posting Nick. I just wish eyehearttrees would see that he can contact you and many of people from the brands he speaks of right here on the buzz. If not you can correspond with a lot of them through e mail. If you can't then maybe not buy from them? Because if there's a failure then their probably not gonna respond then either.
 
SO much I want to say but hoping to get a couple of the most-important out there now for people's thoughts-

1 - @Crimsonking - I couldn't get the DBR technique out of my mind, and the application of friction to it. I was honestly not even expecting to find what I did (and feel dumb for not having noticed it the first time I saw the video), but here is a video (url should go to the exact second of the video he does it) where DD has a DBR-configuration, using Safeblocs instead of blocks!
^that's nuts right?

2 - Since so many notch/sherrill/etc principles are here I'm hoping for clarification on KRAKEN, I should be clear I intend to contact Yale via email and Dave @Wesspur by phone to talk about the line as well, however I'm having a bit of trouble with a few things: Is the core nylon or is it poly? The sherrill magazine says a *NYLON* core, the sherrill website (and treehouse website) say it's a poly core. I am looking for 5/8" line, probably Poly or Atlas, which is why Kraken jumped out at me - it's listed strength-per-diameter, and strength-per-dollar, have it as the most-superior rope out there excepting its low-stretch (but I guess to each their own) What bothers me though is that there's this inconsistency about just what the core is made of and, if it's NOT nylon, then it becomes the strongest poly-over-poly double-braid on the market (if the #'s are accurate of course), while being the cheapest. My "if something's too-good-to-be-true" alarm just can't stop ringing, am curious to get linked to any spec pages possible for the rope, my only thought on how a poly-over-poly could make 18k mbs at 5/8" is if it were the high-modulus poly like in yalex/tenex..so am curious for any specifics you guys will give on them, and would be incredibly appreciative if a stretch-at-%MBS chart were provided, I can't help but think that, if the MBS at that diameter & price is legitimate, that there could be seriously impaired dynamic absorption to beef-up a static MBS (or this rope is just technologically advanced so far beyond yale&samson that it's both better&cheaper, a very big threshold to jump - yet on-paper that's what it says it is, hell in 3/4" it's rated as stronger than Polydyne's 3/4", am curious to know all I can on this rope!
 
ABS (average break strength) and MBS (minimum spliced break strength)

Samson Dynasorb II
5/8" ABS=16,300 MBS=13,900
3/4" ABS=23,000 MBS=19,600

Notch Kraken
5/8" ABS=19,300 MBS=16,000
3/4" ABS=20,230 MBS=18,400

Sterling Atlas
5/8" ABS=19,400 MBS=18000 --with sewn eyes, MBS=15,250

Yale Polydyne
5/8" ABS=18,900 MBS=17,010
3/4" ABS=26,000 MBS=23,400

Kraken is the Sherrill spec'd version of Atlantic Braids HUSKY bull rope line... polyester jacket, nylon core.
 
eyehearttrees said:
SO much I want to say but hoping to get a couple of the most-important out there now for people's thoughts-

1 - @Crimsonking - I couldn't get the DBR technique out of my mind, and the application of friction to it. I was honestly not even expecting to find what I did (and feel dumb for not having noticed it the first time I saw the video), but here is a video (url should go to the exact second of the video he does it) where DD has a DBR-configuration, using Safeblocs instead of blocks!
^that's nuts right?

2 - Since so many notch/sherrill/etc principles are here I'm hoping for clarification on KRAKEN, I should be clear I intend to contact Yale via email and Dave @Wesspur by phone to talk about the line as well, however I'm having a bit of trouble with a few things: Is the core nylon or is it poly? The sherrill magazine says a *NYLON* core, the sherrill website (and treehouse website) say it's a poly core. I am looking for 5/8" line, probably Poly or Atlas, which is why Kraken jumped out at me - it's listed strength-per-diameter, and strength-per-dollar, have it as the most-superior rope out there excepting its low-stretch (but I guess to each their own) What bothers me though is that there's this inconsistency about just what the core is made of and, if it's NOT nylon, then it becomes the strongest poly-over-poly double-braid on the market (if the #'s are accurate of course), while being the cheapest. My "if something's too-good-to-be-true" alarm just can't stop ringing, am curious to get linked to any spec pages possible for the rope, my only thought on how a poly-over-poly could make 18k mbs at 5/8" is if it were the high-modulus poly like in yalex/tenex..so am curious for any specifics you guys will give on them, and would be incredibly appreciative if a stretch-at-%MBS chart were provided, I can't help but think that, if the MBS at that diameter & price is legitimate, that there could be seriously impaired dynamic absorption to beef-up a static MBS (or this rope is just technologically advanced so far beyond yale&samson that it's both better&cheaper, a very big threshold to jump - yet on-paper that's what it says it is, hell in 3/4" it's rated as stronger than Polydyne's 3/4", am curious to know all I can on this rope!
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Think about the setup time on that, though.
 
eyehearttrees said:
(if the #'s are accurate of course)
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Again, your making an assumption based on what EVIDENCE???? Your expertise? Reading Yelp reviews?? Some instant arborist on IG snapping a rope & causing some hysterical frenzy over it, while it was just pure arrogance?? I mean what..?? You been parading around making statements like this about the strength of Notch Products since day one... even after being called out on it you continue to insert the bs.. Yet, still.... I've heard absolutely nothing to back it up with other than more assumption.. more insinuation.. & more if-so facto.

& No.. I'm not a "Notch principle" or whatever other fancy label you want to lob out there acting as if those taking issue have some vested interest..

eyehearttrees said:
my only thought on how a poly-over-poly could make 18k mbs at 5/8" is if it were the high-modulus poly like in yalex/tenex.
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Oh.... Right right.. my thoughts exactly..
 
The last few times I ordered from TreeStuff the service was great. They switched around my order for me, call in to check, and emailed too to make sure i was satisfied.
I always try to get my gear from shelter but now and then I go back to TreeStuff because they do a good job.
 
I'm not a commercial tree guy. I climb recreationally and like to do pruning and easy limb removals. So take my comments for what they're worth. Tree stuff is my usual source for supply. I think they have become the leader in professional service to the industry. I just watched a video they released yesterday on splicing. Over an hour of free info to anyone interested. That costs tree stuff money to produce with no immediate payback. I appreciate it. They are a forward looking company.

I'm also cheap, so I shop around. Sometimes others can beat tree stuff on price and convenience. For example, when I bought my first lanyard the best for me was a rig from Bartlett. 16 feet hiv, 8mm prus eye to eye, pinto pulley, petzlamd binder, and rock exotica biner. All assembled in one package for $135. To get similar lanyard from tree stuff would require purchasing each item separately and would cost about $170. Likewise, a rope wrench with double tether is $145 from tree stuff, but $133 from Sherrill. They are the same company. Why the difference?

As to the notch controversy...most of my biners are notch. They do fine, as far as i can tell. Why do i have mostly notch? Because tree stuff sends me emajils occasionally that let me get a free notch biner with purchase! Hard to beat that! I also have some notch pulleys. No probs.

I'm also one who is not crazy about the website changes. Sometimes it freezes up my rusty old tablet. Ive tried to order a couple times and had to just give up. I think sometimes the millenials at tree stuff forget that not everyone has state of the art technology. And some of us old farts were not issued smart phones at birth, so we struggle with web activities.

Anyway, tree stuff fan boy here. They are great for the industry. No complaints about notch gear. It gets the job done.
 
eyehearttrees said:
SO much I want to say but hoping to get a couple of the most-important out there now for people's thoughts-

1 - @Crimsonking - I couldn't get the DBR technique out of my mind, and the application of friction to it. I was honestly not even expecting to find what I did (and feel dumb for not having noticed it the first time I saw the video), but here is a video (url should go to the exact second of the video he does it) where DD has a DBR-configuration, using Safeblocs instead of blocks!
^that's nuts right?

2 - Since so many notch/sherrill/etc principles are here I'm hoping for clarification on KRAKEN, I should be clear I intend to contact Yale via email and Dave @Wesspur by phone to talk about the line as well, however I'm having a bit of trouble with a few things: Is the core nylon or is it poly? The sherrill magazine says a *NYLON* core, the sherrill website (and treehouse website) say it's a poly core. I am looking for 5/8" line, probably Poly or Atlas, which is why Kraken jumped out at me - it's listed strength-per-diameter, and strength-per-dollar, have it as the most-superior rope out there excepting its low-stretch (but I guess to each their own) What bothers me though is that there's this inconsistency about just what the core is made of and, if it's NOT nylon, then it becomes the strongest poly-over-poly double-braid on the market (if the #'s are accurate of course), while being the cheapest. My "if something's too-good-to-be-true" alarm just can't stop ringing, am curious to get linked to any spec pages possible for the rope, my only thought on how a poly-over-poly could make 18k mbs at 5/8" is if it were the high-modulus poly like in yalex/tenex..so am curious for any specifics you guys will give on them, and would be incredibly appreciative if a stretch-at-%MBS chart were provided, I can't help but think that, if the MBS at that diameter & price is legitimate, that there could be seriously impaired dynamic absorption to beef-up a static MBS (or this rope is just technologically advanced so far beyond yale&samson that it's both better&cheaper, a very big threshold to jump - yet on-paper that's what it says it is, hell in 3/4" it's rated as stronger than Polydyne's 3/4", am curious to know all I can on this rope!
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So I learned me something before replying to the high modulus portion of this post. As it turns out, high tenacity polyester, dyneema, grocery bags, and more are all variants of polyethylene, the most common plastic. I researched because of the way you kept referring to high modulus polyester, since I’ve only heard of high modules fiber as separate from polyester. What I know is that the properties are drastically different, so while some polyesters may be high tenacity, they retain polyester qualities, whereas high modulus fibers like dyneema and technora act quite differently from polyester. I assure you, if a high modulus core is present, it will be advertised, for liability’s sake if nothing else. To think that a company would intentionally mislabel is short-sighted. Mistakes happen in copy. The best course of action is to notify the company, not gossip about an assumption of their intention. A company has too much to lose by being shady in any way, especially considering the potential impact on us if something like that happened. To use a high modulus fiber, but advertise it otherwise is a huge liability, and wouldn’t make sense economically, either, if it were to be sold as a polyester or nylon construction.
 
I think my best contribution is to say- take Nick Bonner up on his offer, and invest in your business by going to expo and letting him buy you a beer.
 
Crimsonking said:
You seem confused on how branding works. First, Buckingham did not invent the portawrap. In fact, Buckingham often does what you seem to hate about notch- someone goes to them with an idea, and they help make it happen with their resources. Branding is part of business. Until this year, Sherrill’s dynasorb was Yale’s Polydyne. Now Samson makes the new version. The kraken line, as well as Notch’s other lines, are made by Atlantic Braids. Why are they cheaper? Send Sherrill or treestuff an email and ask. Wouldn’t it be cool to get more understanding on how it all works?

Remember that there are people behind these brands and companies, people who are a lot more like you than you may wish to believe. It’s easy to paint big, venomous teeth on a company, but try doing that to the people that represent that company, that actually have moral compass and human decency, that want what you want- to offer value in exchange for value to care for self and loved ones. Go to Pittsburg in two weeks and make a point to get to know the people behind the brands you question.
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I think you seem confused lol. Buckingham is a manufacturer, like......they build their products in house in the US????? Notch in all fairness is not a manufacturer they are a brand that uses other manufactures to get a Sherrill driven products in the market. Just seems asinine to compare a brand "Notch" to an actual Manufacturer? From what i can tell Notch seems to do alot of work with Edelrid resources.
 
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