Brand/company Q's...Is Notch owned by Sherrill? What brands are worth/not-worth buying from?

In this global market it's unclear who is "stealing" from whom or where the money actually goes. A good example is the Notch Rook pulley, formerly the Sherrilltree Rook, but it is clearly a Rock Exotica Hydra - not even a "knockoff" but it would seem to come from the same RE factory and just has a different paint job, kinda like how a Chevy Silverado literally is a GMC Sierra and both owned by parent company GM.

I don't really feel it's all a scam but merely a marketing ploy/trick to divert some of the cashflow into greedier hands. Get your hands out of my cashflow!
 
Raven said:
In this global market it's unclear who is "stealing" from whom or where the money actually goes. A good example is the Notch Rook pulley, formerly the Sherrilltree Rook, but it is clearly a Rock Exotica Hydra - not even a "knockoff" but it would seem to come from the same RE factory and just has a different paint job, kinda like how a Chevy Silverado literally is a GMC Sierra and both owned by parent company GM.

I don't really feel it's all a scam but merely a marketing ploy/trick to divert some of the cashflow into greedier hands. Get your hands out of my cashflow!
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The rook/hydra was designed by someone at SherrillTree, and produced by RE.
 
Guys.. guys.. there is this thing called Re-Branding... As cynical & negative as i can be sometimes, re-branding is completely normal.. in fact I'm pretty sure it's part of certain gear manufacturers sales goals with certain items.. Especially RE.. Buckingham for example, uses a ton of their stuff... Same with some rescue outfits..
Similar to how DMM will rebrand Biners & whatnot for vendors & such.. it's the same thing just different color & possible different name as well if rights are bought/worked out as well..
 
Daniel said:
That should be an OSHA thing. lead no good for the kids
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It is! Also a California thing, and a good ethic thing. It's many things. I can't count the times I've exploded a throw ball on the first or second shot. Lost weights are a thing... Also have seen them ooze black goop when wet, I'm guessing it's lead dust from getting pulverized. Ever see the inside of the bag?
 
@Joeybagodonuts; I do not agree. I think sometimes people have their ideas taken without compensation, and nearly identical products are brought to market without an ounce of credit given to the original inventor.

If something is just re-branded, the implication is that it is still made by the original inventor, but the label is just changed a bit for marketing purposes. When ideas are stolen, small changes may get made from the original item, but the item is produced and sold by other people without consulting the original inventor, or providing any kind of royalty for the design. I guess that is what all the patent fights are about, and an inventor has to be willing to fight the fight if he or she feels he or she is in the right.
 
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It is! Also a California thing, and a good ethic thing. It's many things. I can't count the times I've exploded a throw ball on the first or second shot. Lost weights are a thing... Also have seen them ooze black goop when wet, I'm guessing it's lead dust from getting pulverized. Ever see the inside of the bag?
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PLenty,

seen them throw a puff of white dust every time they hit blacktop, which is usually just before they blow up. Seems a shame that the economics make it more profitable to design a product that is made to fail and then so toxic when it does.
 
TimBr said:
@Joeybagodonuts; I do not agree. I think sometimes people have their ideas taken without compensation, and nearly identical products are brought to market without an ounce of credit given to the original inventor.

If something is just re-branded, the implication is that it is still made by the original inventor, but the label is just changed a bit for marketing purposes. When ideas are stolen, small changes may get made from the original item, but the item is produced and sold by other people without consulting the original inventor, or providing any kind of royalty for the design. I guess that is what all the patent fights are about, and an inventor has to be willing to fight the fight if he or she feels he or she is in the right.
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Right.. & I'm referencing a rebranded product being used in this thread as an example of something "stolen" or referenced as a money grab or "greed".. roll back a few posts..
 
That's a real drag about shelter. I liked having a locally owned tree gear company.


Products

RBI Corporation Website
www.rbicorp.com www.rbicorp.com


What an odd website, dos rbi Corp own all those brands? Just distribute them?
 
SeanRuel said:
That's a real drag about shelter. I liked having a locally owned tree gear company.


Products

RBI Corporation Website
www.rbicorp.com www.rbicorp.com


What an odd website, dos rbi Corp own all those brands? Just distribute them?
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I don't think it's not locally owned anymore or anything like that.. the post says "partnered"..

I actually had a conversation with Shelter recently & from what i understood, RBI has big warehouses stocked with Arb/Landscape type inventory & also have better buying power whereas shelter can then "pass a better deal down to the end user".. At least that's what i was told by an employee.. I'm sure the reasoning behind partnering with RBI was with sincere intent .. From what i hear of George & what I've gathered from one on one phone calls with him, he's a solid dude.

If not just for passing down a better deal, I'm sure partnering like that takes a Huuuge load off an owners shoulders as far as sourcing & purchasing.. Shit.. even if it's purley $$ & has nothing to do with getting a better deal to customer.. the guy deserves it, hes been at it forever..

RBI's site is most likey weird looking to a consumer because it is probably not mean to attract retail customers & then have to field a bunch of phone calls & emails because if it. . They're most likley B2B supply chain only. But that's just my guess..
 
colb said:
ABR changed to Rope Logic when Treestuff kicked it out of house to (I strongly presume) protect itself from liability associated with splicing life support and rigging equipment. In theory, a single employee could take out a multi-million dollar company by messing up a splice. Obviously, Wesspur does this as well with Iron Street.

If you can find a company that hasn't spun out their splicing operation, they are either naive, stand directly behind their splicing, or really super dumb. It would be good to find out which it is before buying from them. If they just have that much confidence and quality control, they would be the best to buy from.

I'm curious how ShelterTree handles this, and how they will handle it as their company transitions ownership.

Who else splices in the US?
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This is false. Rope Logic isn't a separate business entity 'spun off to mitigate liability'. Rope logic is an owned brand with the same tax id as all our brands under Sherrill Inc. We own and operate the largest arborist splicing shop anywhere, with more splices done and sold without a failure than anyone.
 
SeanRuel said:
I posted a soft shackle winch line termination on mb's treehouse years ago. It appeared on treestuff with no acknowledgement. That left a bad taste. Pretty easily could have reached out to me and asked.
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I worked on the soft-claw shackle with Erik Vega, our lead splicer. I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere first, and if I had I can assure you I would have credited you. If you want to shoot me a message with the post and a drawing of how you do it, Im happy to credit you if its the same.

I wish more people used them, I think it's an awesome idea.
 
CMI is a great company, not sure where the hate and incorrect facts are coming from.

Notch is supported by the largest effort to develop tree care specific products in the world. Our line is the broadest and best value around and backed by a lifetime warranty. I work personally on the design and production of every item.

We produce goods with manufacturing partners all over the world, from New York, Canada, Europe, Taiwan, Vietnam and yes, even the dreaded China (this is very normal, does ArbPro own a shoe factory? I think not). All perfectly fine places with good people that make quality goods and crappy people that make crappy goods.

Ill put our Notch line of products up against any other line and it stands up tall. Our stuff isnt designed to be the fanciest always but we have awesome innovative products that no one else does, high quality consumable goods, and even more amazing stuff coming.

The comments that anyone 'stole' this idea or that are ridiculous. We live not only in a country with intellectual property laws, but a global economy with them. If anyones ideas had been stolen, the courts would decide that. Besides, no other company in the world can cite as many working positive inventor relationships as we can. Notch has a list of folks we've worked with to bring their ideas to the larger audience.

Dont believe everything you read on the internet!

Nick Bonner
TreeStuff General MAnager
nick@treestuff.com
cell 440.989.0444
 
bonner1040 said:
This is false. Rope Logic isn't a separate business entity 'spun off to mitigate liability'. Rope logic is an owned brand with the same tax id as all our brands under Sherrill Inc. We own and operate the largest arborist splicing shop anywhere, with more splices done and sold without a failure than anyone.
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Uhoh, I falsely strongly presumed... Thanks for correcting me, @bonner1040 . Why do splicing departments in some tree companies take a separate name, and why has treestuff's splicing graduated through different names, and should it all just be "Notch" splicing brand at this point?
 
Notch/treestuff/sherrill don't give a shit about the health and well being of arbclimbers and the environment. :rolleyes:
We can discuss this again? Tom, Jeff and Mark know where this can go. Many members also know and hate to hear it again.
Do we continue ?
I am here to say think twice about giving your money to Sherrill
 
treebing said:
what are the inventions that Notch has stolen? I hear this all the time but never any examples. they only sell throw bags, carabiners, micro pulleys, a saw scabbard, rigging rings (they work with David Driver on those) a huge log carrier thingy, pole pruners, pole saw, a very unique foot ascender, pocket wedges, chainsaw files, quickies, rope runners, (they work with me on those) a great line up of storage solutions. I can't think of anything else. much less something stolen. I guess you could say they ripped off the Harrison rocket, and the faltheimer, but they were like the eighth entity to do so. Not the top of the line quality, but affordable, and Really, Notch is the only company that focuses exclusively on arboriculture. Tobe Sherrill is the patented inventor of the big shot so thats why they have that.
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