Brand/company Q's...Is Notch owned by Sherrill? What brands are worth/not-worth buying from?

colb said:
ABR changed to Rope Logic when Treestuff kicked it out of house to (I strongly presume) protect itself from liability associated with splicing life support and rigging equipment. In theory, a single employee could take out a multi-million dollar company by messing up a splice. Obviously, Wesspur does this as well with Iron Street.

If you can find a company that hasn't spun out their splicing operation, they are either naive, stand directly behind their splicing, or really super dumb. It would be good to find out which it is before buying from them. If they just have that much confidence and quality control, they would be the best to buy from.

I'm curious how ShelterTree handles this, and how they will handle it as their company transitions ownership.

Who else splices in the US?
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Gap Arborist Supply does their own splicing in-house. Stop in and you can watch John work, all he does is splice full time.
 
colb said:
ABR changed to Rope Logic when Treestuff kicked it out of house to (I strongly presume) protect itself from liability associated with splicing life support and rigging equipment. In theory, a single employee could take out a multi-million dollar company by messing up a splice. Obviously, Wesspur does this as well with Iron Street.

If you can find a company that hasn't spun out their splicing operation, they are either naive, stand directly behind their splicing, or really super dumb. It would be good to find out which it is before buying from them. If they just have that much confidence and quality control, they would be the best to buy from.

I'm curious how ShelterTree handles this, and how they will handle it as their company transitions ownership.

Who else splices in the US?
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There is that liability reason, but also tax reasons. My accountant told me that if I started growing trees, or milling and making tables those would have to be separate companies. One company can lease the other equipment and such, essentially operating in the red.
 
Woowzers.. theres aloooot to unpack there.. I'll leave that to someone else..
All i gotta say is.. On the gouging note.. just wait for the upcomming post when he realizes how cheap he could have bought some of the big ticket items for, from the UK vendors without MAP pricing.. his heads gunna be spinning..lol
 
evo said:
Drama thread! Yay!

Ok so here is the deal. Sherrill is treestuff, notch and some other splicing company. They are like the Walmart if tree gear. They have a few exclusives such as the sole importer of Silky. They some how have their hands all over the big shot, and have “stolen” a few other inventions.
Kong sucks they made life support rings, which Sherrill sold. They broke and hurt or killed a few folks, both companies left much to be desired in how they handled this.
CMI is US MADE. Not cutting edge stuff, but pretty damn solid. They have been in the game for a long time, and not too long ago, if you wanted a block, it was pretty much a CMI or the clunky but bomb proof one that ISC now makes. Their micro pulleys always have left a little to be desired, but the price point is pretty spot on. Ever try production in the US? Never heard a peep of complaining about them.
Petzl well kinda sucks. A little more than a little bit.
DMM is pretty bomber, and makes great gear. I’ve found many of the carabiners get a little weak in the gate.
ISC is little used in the arb world but makes great gear. Snappy bomb proof gear.

Wesspur is just a good well rounded brick and mortar company. Never heard of them ripping anyone off, and producing others inventions without credit. They own iron street splicing. And hired local folks to make their throw bags and rope bags. They source US made when and where they can. They don’t (for the most part) go for exclusives (blue moon). There was a moment long ago when they messed up on my orders, but alsways fixes them in quick time. I ordered a pair of boots which the factory miss sized, I got a call when they got the return and said the dude who wore a size 14 tried them and they were big on him! Sent back a shackle pulley with a f-Ed up casting, same deal, a call back saying no one on the staff would climb on it. They never kissed my ass, but they are solid.

Weaver, well they have been pretty ok for 1980. They had a shitty rope bridge issue, and didn’t handle it well. Shoulda sent notices and recalled much sooner. Now there is the HASS thing. I can see both sides of this story and have some strong opinions. I think weaver is taking it too far.
Fuck lead shot in throw bags fwiw
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What is your solution to the lead throw weights? Weaver is the only option I found for that. Besides the throw missile. https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?item=3558#
 
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colb said:
Notch does have an arb trolley, but I don't feel like they "stole it" stole it... Wheeled carts have been around since before walls, 'parrently... :LOL: @Reg was just a bit smarter and faster off the line from his time as a playground seesaw engineer (that was after his hot dog stand apprenticeship)...
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The notch cart is to huge to be considered competition to the arbor trolley. How would one get it to the job sight?
 
evo said:
There is that liability reason, but also tax reasons. My accountant told me that if I started growing trees, or milling and making tables those would have to be separate companies. One company can lease the other equipment and such, essentially operating in the red.
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For tax reasons, is there a reason to keep notch and rope logic separate?
 
treebing said:
The notch cart is to huge to be considered competition to the arbor trolley. How would one get it to the job sight?
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It does seem cumbersome/productiony, to look at. Anyone had one in front of them? My arbor trolley weighs about the max I'd want to throw up into my bin at the end of the day. On a side note, I'm usually dumping it with my debris load, then sticking it back in the empty bin, lol. It's a tough chunk of metal.
 
treebing said:
what are the inventions that Notch has stolen? I hear this all the time but never any examples. they only sell throw bags, carabiners, micro pulleys, a saw scabbard, rigging rings (they work with David Driver on those) a huge log carrier thingy, pole pruners, pole saw, a very unique foot ascender, pocket wedges, chainsaw files, quickies, rope runners, (they work with me on those) a great line up of storage solutions. I can't think of anything else. much less something stolen. I guess you could say they ripped off the Harrison rocket, and the faltheimer, but they were like the eighth entity to do so. Not the top of the line quality, but affordable, and Really, Notch is the only company that focuses exclusively on arboriculture. Tobe Sherrill is the patented inventor of the big shot so thats why they have that.
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I posted a soft shackle winch line termination on mb's treehouse years ago. It appeared on treestuff with no acknowledgement. That left a bad taste. Pretty easily could have reached out to me and asked.
 
Bucknut said:
First I've heard of CMI being disreputable or expensive. Ive always found their stuff to be functional and robust, while staying reasonably priced. Not usually cutting edge stuff, but solid and reliable.

Been running their big blocks for years in the right situations, and they are simple and well built. 40,000 MBS. Could hang a loaded bucket truck from it with the right rope. I trust it.
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Also, made in America, in West Virginia, I believe it is. They might just be the biggest employer in the town they are in, I don't know. I think they are happy to give tours of their facility to folks who care to visit, which might be fun to see.

Tim
 
theatertech87 said:
Also thought I'd toss in that iron street is wesspur's in house splicing department, and ABR was the in house one for treestuff, and i think they had an arrangement worked out to make x-rings that has since been transfered to notch
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Yeah, I thought it was too bad that Sherrill decided to take David Driver's branding away from him in the process, but he did agree to it, I guess. I liked the idea of supporting David Driver's innovation and branding. I'd guess most people don't even know who he is anymore.

Here's a link to the YouTube presence of the man who brought the low friction rings to the tree business.

www.youtube.com

thexmanjdd

www.youtube.com www.youtube.com

Tim
 
Joeybagodonuts said:
Woowzers.. theres aloooot to unpack there.. I'll leave that to someone else..
All i gotta say is.. On the gouging note.. just wait for the upcomming post when he realizes how cheap he could have bought some of the big ticket items for, from the UK vendors without MAP pricing.. his heads gunna be spinning..lol
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colb said:
Notch does have an arb trolley, but I don't feel like they "stole it" stole it... Wheeled carts have been around since before walls, 'parrently... :LOL: @Reg was just a bit smarter and faster off the line from his time as a playground seesaw engineer (that was after his hot dog stand apprenticeship)...
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I do feel like Notch essentially stole Reg's idea in this regard. I think the fact that Reg's cart is modular, and that the wheels are at or near the center of balance of the cart, are the things that distinguish it from the carts that came before it. I don't think Sherrill ever had a cart like it before they saw Reg's cart and made a near knock-off copy of it. I could be wrong, though. I've been wrong before. Just because someone's copy of a product is inferior to the original does not mean it is no longer a copy.
 
The Harrison rocket bags have the lead in a balloon to isolate it. Same thing would have to be done with steel or you would have to deal with the rust issue
 
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