big ash leaning heavily towards wires

Tom - He was cutting above his waist, they wouldn't have done any good. He's already tried to make this point clear somewhere else. Class act all the way!

Dan - what did you calculate the tree needed in force to be brought back like that? Then, how did you calculate how much force the truck was pulling with? How many times have you stressed the pull rope to near failure before this one? Which leads to, how much force was on that rope?
 
My god. I couldn't beleive my eyes when I started seeing cars going past in the background. I couldn't care less if you kill yourself but wtf are you gambling with other peoples lives for to try to impress a few arborists on a web site. If I found out my family had been in one of those cars I would have come looking for you. Spare me all that up your own as crap about being in control too, cos your obviously not.
 
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While watching the video and seeing all the things I wouldn't do, I was thinking Daniel has lost some weight. Climbing more?
 
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Dan - what did you calculate the tree needed in force to be brought back like that? Then, how did you calculate how much force the truck was pulling with? How many times have you stressed the pull rope to near failure before this one? Which leads to, how much force was on that rope?

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For clarity,
the truck did not do the pulling.. there were two control lines AKA guy lines, AKA right angle lines.. The first line is double braid with 10,000 lb tensile, run through a block and tied off to the pick up. that was pretensioned by the driver listening to my command. I watched the tree, got as much lift as wanted and told him to stop. The tree stood up quickly with surprisingly little pull..

The true blue was set up with a 6:1 MA system and tensioned by hand with 4 men pulling on the line. Max force on the tree estimated at about 2,000 lbs. Max force on the rope estimated at about 1000 lbs. If you listen carefully in the video, you can see that when the true blue was tensioned by hand, it caused the line that had been pretensioned with the truck to go slack, showing that there was significantly less than the estimated 2000 lbs on the line tensioned with the pick up. The pick up was then pulled up again by verbal command until the tree just started to move slightly. Leaving an estimated max of 2000 lbs on that line. The truck was then used as a ground anchor.. it did not move ....

What wasn't shown on the video was how much the tree was stood up.. might have moved 8-10'... At that point I knew there was no change of losing the tree to the side-weight. If it had gone differently, I might have closed the road temporarily..

The tree was then fairly well balanced, and only needed a little persuasion to get it going to the lay. That pull was done with a skid loader, which was off camera.
 
IMO it looks like you had this relatively under control, Daniel. The only critiques I have are 1) Climbing the tree was a bad idea, at least from what I could see. 2) No chaps. 3) It looks like she fell off the notch there at the end, but the rigging system was over-built, so it came over anyway. It was tough to see, but it looked that way to me.

Oh, and if the road was that close, why not just put a crane on it and avoid most of this risk?

-Tom
 
If you listen closely, you can hear that the hinge held all the way to the ground.. listen to it squeaking.. then it is only after the top hits ground and bounces around for a moment that the but falls off the stump...

There was zero risk in this job.. it was a piece of cake..

Now parking a crane on a busy street, processing the material there, making pics over the electric lines.. THAT is a hassle, and far "riskier", costlier, and time consuming.. the thought of using a crane never even occurred to me..
 
A cranecould have been put where you dropped it if that was used right. I wouldn't Have reached over the wires.



Was the hinge angled...90 degrees to the tree? If so why did you not keep it level to the ground?
 
Murph did it the easiest way, imo. If one owned their own crane as Mark does, then a crane might have been nice, but I can't see hiring a crane for that.

Cutting 90 degrees to the trunk is SOP, no?
 
Thanks for the clarification, I can't say one way or the other how I would have done it without seeing it in person, video never seems to capture all aspects.
 
I generally like to keep the notch level with the ground too, BUT in this case I wanted the fall to stay perpendicular to the guy lines through the course of the fall.. so the notch was made perpendicular to the trunk, rather than level with the ground..


funny thing is, I never really thought about it at the time.. I just did it that way automatically..
 
way to go Daniel!

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Minus the lack of chaps...that was a nasty tree done without incident. Plenty of backup in case one rope were to fail.

I think that, given the history, we generally come into a Daniel vid just looking for things to critique. If that had been a different buzzer wearing chaps, I don't think anyone would have commented, other than to say good job.

Just wondering what the protocol is for a tree like that in regards to the threat it poses to the electrical system. Did you have to notify the power company before doing the job? Were you issued some sort of non-reclosure permit?

Could that tree have hit the road or lines if it were to have failed?
 
If the lines were energized, I thought central control still had to be notified so that a hold-off can be put in place so that in the event of a failure you don't end up royally f-ing up the system; as well as respond to the mayday call if something were to happen. I've only done a bit of utility, not sure what the protocol is for that down stateside.
 
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