Backups in SRT
- Thread starter rangerdanger
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- Chattanooga
You could. Thing is with a ground anchor, it's gonna be difficult to fall hard because there's so much rope in the 'loop'.
The other very real scenario is that between the rope stretch of the ground anchor and the increase in length due to a fall arrester, one could easily hit hard on an object below him before the fall is arrested.
All I'm meaning by, "Don't fall" is the fall arrest issues can best be resolved by not falling in the first place.
The other very real scenario is that between the rope stretch of the ground anchor and the increase in length due to a fall arrester, one could easily hit hard on an object below him before the fall is arrested.
All I'm meaning by, "Don't fall" is the fall arrest issues can best be resolved by not falling in the first place.
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- Retired in Minneapolis
I've got a shock absorbing camming device that is designed to slip/grab to incorporate a deceleration in case of a fall.
I'm going to dig it out and see who makes the tool. I think that it's made by ISC, it has their 'look'.
I'm going to dig it out and see who makes the tool. I think that it's made by ISC, it has their 'look'.
Tr33Climb3r
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- Wisconsin
Tr33Climb3r
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- Location
- Wisconsin
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
That is just SOOOOO over complicated...use a chest ascender and be done with it.
KentuckySawyer
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- Location
- Louisville
Whats the point of the Hitch-climber rig? If the 10mm beeline is the tether to the climber the HC is superfluous. I could see a benefit of that setup being, bypassing the non-rated ascender and the climber being directly attached to the hitch cord (i.e. the backup).
That would (not) work with a double handed ascender.
That would (not) work with a double handed ascender.
Tr33Climb3r
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- Location
- Wisconsin
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Whats the point of the Hitch-climber rig? If the 10mm beeline is the tether to the climber the HC is superfluous. I could see a benefit of that setup being, bypassing the non-rated ascender and the climber being directly attached to the hitch cord (i.e. the backup).
That would work with a double handed ascender.
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Yes again i dont use it i just took a picture of it....I tried replicating it once with little luck oh well
Whats the point of the Hitch-climber rig? If the 10mm beeline is the tether to the climber the HC is superfluous. I could see a benefit of that setup being, bypassing the non-rated ascender and the climber being directly attached to the hitch cord (i.e. the backup).
That would work with a double handed ascender.
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Yes again i dont use it i just took a picture of it....I tried replicating it once with little luck oh well
treebing
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Detroit, Mi.
the only thing i dont like is the hitch above the upper acender. other than that it seems pretty simple. the hitch climber is essential to SRT climbing with a hitch because it allows one to easily rig it to pull the hitch up the rope. otherwise its tricky.
I would cut out the top hitch and than I think you have a versitile setup right there. im going to try it.
I would cut out the top hitch and than I think you have a versitile setup right there. im going to try it.
- Location
- NJ
Thats is just your typical brownie point TCC set up, an over kill on rule play for points.???? Gots to back that cender with a hitch above case it fails we all know it'll come down and break the bottom hitch lose and you'll free fall to your death.
Wonder if that works like a Fate system???? only needing to open the cam to descend???? do the 2 hitches work together and not lock up??????? Teather for footlock, bring self to unit, click in, open cam, and start working????? HHHHMMMMMMMMMM
Wonder if that works like a Fate system???? only needing to open the cam to descend???? do the 2 hitches work together and not lock up??????? Teather for footlock, bring self to unit, click in, open cam, and start working????? HHHHMMMMMMMMMM
treebing
Been here much more than a while
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- Detroit, Mi.
I am assuming the tether off the top hole of the acender is a foot loop and the other foot is a pantin.
I have found that with my acent tree, i kind hold it at head level and almost hug myself to the rope with it only sliding it up slightly with each step. i use my flexed position muscles to hold myslf to the rope. the weak link in the system for me is the pantin. I think I could go as fast as footlocking if the stupid pantin didnt shake off on me when i try to go fast.
At the same time, I dont want my foot stuck on the rope, I want to be able to shake it off. I think we are due for a more sophisticated pantin. Im thinkin one that you could grab the rope without using your hands to put it on the cam. hmmm.
I have found that with my acent tree, i kind hold it at head level and almost hug myself to the rope with it only sliding it up slightly with each step. i use my flexed position muscles to hold myslf to the rope. the weak link in the system for me is the pantin. I think I could go as fast as footlocking if the stupid pantin didnt shake off on me when i try to go fast.
At the same time, I dont want my foot stuck on the rope, I want to be able to shake it off. I think we are due for a more sophisticated pantin. Im thinkin one that you could grab the rope without using your hands to put it on the cam. hmmm.
Fairfield
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- Bucks County pa USA
Fairfield
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- Bucks County pa USA
Tr33Climb3r
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- Wisconsin
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Wonder if that works like a Fate system???? only needing to open the cam to descend???? do the 2 hitches work together and not lock up??????? Teather for footlock, bring self to unit, click in, open cam, and start working????? HHHHMMMMMMMMMM
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Thats what that guy did...exactly as you said. He desended by opening the came. It was really cool.
Oh and the piece that goes off to the left is a foot loop.
Wonder if that works like a Fate system???? only needing to open the cam to descend???? do the 2 hitches work together and not lock up??????? Teather for footlock, bring self to unit, click in, open cam, and start working????? HHHHMMMMMMMMMM
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Thats what that guy did...exactly as you said. He desended by opening the came. It was really cool.
Oh and the piece that goes off to the left is a foot loop.
Tr33Climb3r
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- Location
- Wisconsin
Hey guys that setup is Richard Hattiers...from Anchor Bridge Ropeworks i just remembered I had his business card
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Thats what that guy did...exactly as you said. He desended by opening the came. It was really cool.
Oh and the piece that goes off to the left is a foot loop.
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So maybe he heard that you weren't suppose to descend on a hitch on SRT, so he added a second hitch?
Thats what that guy did...exactly as you said. He desended by opening the came. It was really cool.
Oh and the piece that goes off to the left is a foot loop.
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So maybe he heard that you weren't suppose to descend on a hitch on SRT, so he added a second hitch?
- Location
- Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Oh my! This SRT climber is using no form of back up
Just 2 Tiblocs.
Youtube-SRT
Actually, this ones much more efficient:
Youtube-SRT winner
Just 2 Tiblocs.
Youtube-SRT
Actually, this ones much more efficient:
Youtube-SRT winner
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
I want the second device~!!!!
Tiblocs scare me...they eat ropes...
Tiblocs scare me...they eat ropes...
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
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So maybe he heard that you weren't suppose to descend on a hitch on SRT, so he added a second hitch?
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There is no reason to have a hard and fast prohibition of descent on a hitch in SRT. There are some that are likely to not grab and can slip to failure. Prusiks are the most likely to slip to failure. Teh hitches with spirals in them work a bit better...Klemheist, VT, Etc.
The idea that there is a 'rule' comes from the fact that there are few hitches that don't lock down hard during descent. There is too much friction and they need to be unweighted in order to release. to overcome this Bachman hitch is an option but I have always been reluctant to use it because the biner seems like too big a target for release. The Fate system is a better option since most of the friction is on the device and the hitch acts as a constant grab.
To reiterate, there isn't a 'rule' just an accepted practice.
So maybe he heard that you weren't suppose to descend on a hitch on SRT, so he added a second hitch?
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There is no reason to have a hard and fast prohibition of descent on a hitch in SRT. There are some that are likely to not grab and can slip to failure. Prusiks are the most likely to slip to failure. Teh hitches with spirals in them work a bit better...Klemheist, VT, Etc.
The idea that there is a 'rule' comes from the fact that there are few hitches that don't lock down hard during descent. There is too much friction and they need to be unweighted in order to release. to overcome this Bachman hitch is an option but I have always been reluctant to use it because the biner seems like too big a target for release. The Fate system is a better option since most of the friction is on the device and the hitch acts as a constant grab.
To reiterate, there isn't a 'rule' just an accepted practice.
