I am going for the Climber Specialist and am in need of acceptable (to the ISA) Arial rescue Training. I hadn't noticed this requirement before, is it new? Anyway, I would like to test this July here in Boise but the written is offered in January, any way to waive the pre req's until AR training can be completed? I need the training for two of us, any ideas??? Thanks!
Arial Rescue Training
- Thread starter ezekiel
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Do you have the application for the exam? Page 13 I think is the cpr 1st aid/ aerial rescue verification sheet.
There is a place for the employer to sign off as the training being completed. If you are the employer I dont see why you couldnt do that?
Have you ever competed in a TCC and completed the AR there? That too should be adequate.
There is a place for the employer to sign off as the training being completed. If you are the employer I dont see why you couldnt do that?
Have you ever competed in a TCC and completed the AR there? That too should be adequate.
Raven
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The AR requirement has always been there, and I don't think "good enough" should be good enough. when we start trying to bend the rules to obtain certifications it takes alot of credibility out of the cert. process.
ISA only calls for "A.R. Training", not any proof of proficiency in performing AR. It would be easy for anyone to set up a mock AR one time and then have boss or self sign off, but do you actually practice AR once a month? once a year? for that matter why even do the AR, why not just sign the paper saying you did it? You've got to be honest with yourself before you can be honest with everyone else.
TCI's EHAP program has an AR element with outside verifyer. TCC could work if you acually completed the AR event, how many guys never even make it to the victim or up the tree before time runs out? is this AR tanining? sure. Is it AR proficient? definitely not. Also check out ACRT for outside verification.
Zeke, this rant is not aimed specifically at you, you just set up the shot, hope I score.
ISA only calls for "A.R. Training", not any proof of proficiency in performing AR. It would be easy for anyone to set up a mock AR one time and then have boss or self sign off, but do you actually practice AR once a month? once a year? for that matter why even do the AR, why not just sign the paper saying you did it? You've got to be honest with yourself before you can be honest with everyone else.
TCI's EHAP program has an AR element with outside verifyer. TCC could work if you acually completed the AR event, how many guys never even make it to the victim or up the tree before time runs out? is this AR tanining? sure. Is it AR proficient? definitely not. Also check out ACRT for outside verification.
Zeke, this rant is not aimed specifically at you, you just set up the shot, hope I score.
I agree Raven, if you don't apply it, it does no good. I don't want to skim by this, I just don't know what to do about it. It seems like every issue I address it leads me to one more. I have looked at ACRT but at the moment it is not a viable option for me. I still can't seem to find any clear information on what to do once your at the victim, I can imagine some scenarios but this seems a bit spotty when my life or the life of my emloyees may be on the line. Bottom line for me is to send us home to our kids/family and come back to climb another day. We have first-aid/cpr classes coming after the holiday and I guess we will spend a day working out the details of our AR plan and practice some extractions. Any ideas on techniques? Thank you for ranting on the safety issue Raven, and the quality of certification. I will also be contacting the ISA directly, so I'll let you know what they say. Thanks!
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IF you've completed the ARevent at a TCC that will be sufficient for the Certified Tree Worker test.
The AR component does not involve any victim care. The requirement is to get to a victim which is at 35' and get back to the ground within the alloted time.
A proper company AR program should train for much more than that though. The FA/CPR components will teach other basic procedures. Check, Call, Care is the most basic outline.
The AR component does not involve any victim care. The requirement is to get to a victim which is at 35' and get back to the ground within the alloted time.
A proper company AR program should train for much more than that though. The FA/CPR components will teach other basic procedures. Check, Call, Care is the most basic outline.
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IF you've completed the AR event at a TCC that will be sufficient for the Certified Tree Worker test.
The AR component does not involve any victim care. The requirement is to get to a victim which is at 35' and get back to the ground within the alloted time.
A proper company AR program should train for much more than that though. The FA/CPR components will teach other basic procedures. Check, Call, Care is the most basic outline.
The AR component does not involve any victim care. The requirement is to get to a victim which is at 35' and get back to the ground within the alloted time.
A proper company AR program should train for much more than that though. The FA/CPR components will teach other basic procedures. Check, Call, Care is the most basic outline.
Norm_Hall
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Knowing the proper protocol is the most important factor. Like Tom said "Check, Call, Care" are the 1st things. Speed (getting the victim to the ground)is pretty much not a factor anymore unless the injured is not breathing. Getting to the injured, assessing for injuries, compromised climbing gear and making him/her comfortable while waiting for EMS to arrive, before bringing the injured done.
This should not be taken lightly. We are the only Team that can rescue fellow arborists.
The double friction hitch method is the safest method to use in most situations.
This should not be taken lightly. We are the only Team that can rescue fellow arborists.
The double friction hitch method is the safest method to use in most situations.
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There is always the possibility of getting an airway established by just repositioning the head. Consider the mechanism of injury first. If there's no suspected head/neck/spine/injury the rescuer could consider this in the same response flow for a choking victim. If a breath doesn't go in, reposition head and try again.
During the CCC, start to think Airway, Breathing, Circulation. Moving the victim isn't considered until after ABCs are completed.
During the CCC, start to think Airway, Breathing, Circulation. Moving the victim isn't considered until after ABCs are completed.
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See the latest (December) issue of Arborist News magazine for a related article: 'Emergency Response--A Protocol Is Needed', pages 51 -53.
Emergency response and aerial rescue have received a lot of scrutiny in the past few years. I think that there will be a lot more discussion and some significant changes regarding how arborists deal with these topics.
Emergency response and aerial rescue have received a lot of scrutiny in the past few years. I think that there will be a lot more discussion and some significant changes regarding how arborists deal with these topics.
Raven
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Can you elaborate on the double friction hitch?
I believe Tom is refering to the act of lowering the victim on their own friction hitch while you descend on yours of course, thus operating both hitches at once. This does take both hands leaving none left for self belay or control of injured. Come to MPLS for ITCC to see lots of ways to work around that problem and others.
I believe Tom is refering to the act of lowering the victim on their own friction hitch while you descend on yours of course, thus operating both hitches at once. This does take both hands leaving none left for self belay or control of injured. Come to MPLS for ITCC to see lots of ways to work around that problem and others.
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