Anyone Else Using The Knut Hitch???

Glen i thought i took that picture out when you said that before, sorry. i'm pretty light, was shown it, and it werked for me. The differance is if you make the half-hitch/tending ring out of the strand coming from the top of the coil, or the bottom of the coil.

The consensus seems to be that for the Knut/TK we take the half hitch/marline hitch (respectively) to form single/lowest 'loading buffer' (to buffer load to real stopping power of coil on top)from the bottom of the coil. L or R as Mahk says wouldn't make any differance, except perhaps in twisted/3strand host, that had a specific R or L hand lay. As opposed to Distel/Schwab that we form the lowest/single 'loading buffer' turn; taking from the top of the coil.

Theorizing that 1 turn is almost enough, but not quite enough stopping power, a round (2) turn as pretty sure, a double round turn (3 turns) as very positive, and a coil (4 turns) (KnudeKnoggin?) as very positive stop with any preceding loading buffer. A real Frenchy coil as 7 turns as real downright positive with no need of help/buffer to stop. So we take the single turn in some shape or form, that almost is enough stop; and cap it always with coil (or some a double roundturn)to have tool that gives both stop and slide in right conditions. The single takes most of the loading, and the coil finishes the job. But (coil) stays in a courteous/non-siezing/powerband; with the loading buffer of preceding turn taking the brunt of abuse and loading. So we always have coil on top, and vary the single ring/turn/hitch/marl before the coil; to vary the charachteristic and name of that particular hitch.

Thanx,
-KC
 
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The two pics that Glen juxtaposed show the same hitch. In your mind's eye take the top leg of Spydy's hitch (the right hand pic) and, without changing the way it is threaded through the coils, just nudge it to the left side of the climbing line. That hitch will then exactly match the hitch in the photo on the left.

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Mahk (is he "Mark" from Boston? :)...

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Ayuh.
 
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I wondahed about that. I was born in Boston propah, but grew up in Cambridge and Watahtown. Where'd you grow up?

Jim

P.S. Just to get back on track, I use the Knut all the time: 5 coils, plus 1 for the half hitch = 6 total.
 
Just started using the knut. Haven't been using anything other than Blake's. Does anyone use a descender with their performance hitch? (Ref. Jepson backing up the Blake's with figure 8.) The knot is kinda in the way, right? Seems like my knut gets pretty warm compared to the Blake's even when going slow don't ya know (MN talk.)
 
ChuckR, are you using DdRT or SRT. I mostly climb using SRT and use a Trango Cinch for descent. Descending SRT, the cinch will get fairly warm-to-hot depending on the length of the descent.

Also, are you using a different (smaller diameter) line for your hitch? That might cause less heat dissipation due to less surface area.

When descending in SRT with a hitch (Knut and VT), I had a problem with glazing using both Sta_Set and UltraTech for hitch cord. Since I've switched to HRC, I've had no glazing problems. The hitch can get pretty warm, but the HRC has a high temp cover.

When I do descend DdRT, I only use my hitch and it will get warm, too, but not as warm as in SRT.

I wouldn't use a Figure 8. After a number of descents using one, you'll notice that you start to turn round-and-round as you descend. I'm sure someone will chime in with the reason why, but it does happen.

Jim
 
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ChuckR, are you using DdRT or SRT.

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I'm using DdRT and HRC cord. As I was trying the knut for the first time it became obvious that I couldn't use my figure 8. Guess that's the norm for any of these closed hitches. I just hadn't realized that. I don't like the twist from the figure 8 and don't use it all the time. Thinking about trying a rack as I like understanding different gear.
 
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I mostly climb using SRT... When descending in SRT with a hitch (Knut and VT), I had a problem with glazing using both Sta_Set and UltraTech for hitch cord.

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In an earlier thread I expressed surprise that your hitch was tighter with fewer (4-5) wraps and worked better with more (6-7) wraps. Now I understand. SRT is a different system and creates different dynamics.

Its good that you use some type of descender when using SRT and a friction hitch.
 
99.9% of the time I use a descender with SRT. Originally my intent was just to save wear and tear on my hitch cord.

I agree with you and TheTreeSpyder: some kind of mechanical descender is desirable.

Jim
 
When I'm descending SRT removing a spar I use a figure eight binered in to the delta on my left leg strap. I climb with a modified Butterfly. I work one with each hand and I do it to take friction off my Vt. With the eight in my delta and the Vt. on my sliding bridge the two don't interfere with each other.
 
i used the knut all day today, and will tomorrow too....but so far i have to say i feel its far inferior to the v.t.
of course this could be down to the cord i use though
 
Charlie, it's not a true XT but close. I showed a few the hitch in Nash. I'm sure that there were a few pics taken. On a seperate note, Treeco had a great little hitch for backing up during footlocking. That was something I brought home! Thanks Dan!
 
Thanks Mark.

Charlie my hitch keeps the two lines from pulling apart.

I'll post another pic. I've been calling it the Nelson Hitch, but it's probably been tied and named in the past. I have not climb tested this knot so users beware.

Dan
 

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I believe this is the knot Mark was showing at ISA 2005.

Dan
 

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That looks just about right to me Dan.

And to answer the previous question, Dan's hitch looked like it would work very well for backing up ascenders. It held the ropes in all directions while we played with it at the booth.
 

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