another form of rigging
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2k may not be halfway to a mini, but I'd rather save a little longer and have a mini. One could always put an axle under a log and use the mini for drag rather than rely on manpower...or use counterweights and so on. I have lots of hills to work with here and I like combustion engines. Would I buy a log arch/hand cart? Sure, but I'd rather spend money on a tool which can do far more than allow me to haul more brush or bigger logs with my own strength.
Jeff_Cochran
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why couldn't it carry a root ball? a little rigging and that thing would be a great planter. i'm envisioning ropes and being able to lower the rootball into the planting hole or weld some tabs so you can slide on a piece of flat plate.
Reg
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ok i'll bite. is your cart a log arch?
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With respect Jeff, I was hoping you'd elaborate a litte more?
ok i'll bite. is your cart a log arch?
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With respect Jeff, I was hoping you'd elaborate a litte more?
Jeff_Cochran
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with respect this thread wasn't about comparing you cart reg and the gate friendly log arch, although if i had one of each i would write a full dissertation on the differences, strengths, and weaknesses of both machines. i love machines that are designed to move large objects by human power alone. this thread was about a log arch that becomes a brush hauler, a dolly, and can go through a 36" gate. i like your cart, it looks well designed and purpose built; the fact is like both of them. i would love the opportunity to test both at the same time to see which one i love. so you need to send me one of your carts for testing and i'll contact these folks and see if they'll send me one of their gate friendly log arches and i'll test both for a couple of months then write up a product review and make a video showcasing each products strengths and weaknesses. with payment being one of each product. since that won't happen ;-). i think i'm just going to build my own, then you guys can nit pick mine. lol
Reg
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with respect this thread wasn't about comparing you cart reg and the gate friendly log arch, although if i had one of each i would write a full dissertation on the differences, strengths, and weaknesses of both machines. i love machines that are designed to move large objects by human power alone. this thread was about a log arch that becomes a brush hauler, a dolly, and can go through a 36" gate. i like your cart, it looks well designed and purpose built; the fact is like both of them. i would love the opportunity to test both at the same time to see which one i love. so you need to send me one of your carts for testing and i'll contact these folks and see if they'll send me one of their gate friendly log arches and i'll test both for a couple of months then write up a product review and make a video showcasing each products strengths and weaknesses. with payment being one of each product. since that won't happen ;-). i think i'm just going to build my own, then you guys can nit pick mine. lol
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Jeff I know the thread originaly had nothing to do with the Stein cart, but it got mentioned by a couple of others and then yourself....so against my better judgement the curiosity forced me to ask the question. Obviously I have a vested interest in what people are looking for in this kind of hardware.
FWIW, log arches are a marvelous labour saving concept (limited within the width of the arch)....and this one, like the company who produces it looks like top quality. But for a brush cart, surely over engineered i.e. you are already pulling 200+lbs before its even loaded. What happens when you hit a slight incline in the terrain?....clearly they make reference to incorporating a winch with good reason!
Furthermore, the ground clearance looks to be no more than a couple of inches....a huge shortcoming for the most obvious reasons.
I dont know why the company didn't just design a seperate, more appropriately priced, lightweight brush&log-cart....to complement their already well established log-arch range.
Multifunctional tools are great in theory, but not so when the design severely limits their practical application.
All things that glitter etc....
Hell, your cart will probably top the lot Jeff. I have every faith in you.
with respect this thread wasn't about comparing you cart reg and the gate friendly log arch, although if i had one of each i would write a full dissertation on the differences, strengths, and weaknesses of both machines. i love machines that are designed to move large objects by human power alone. this thread was about a log arch that becomes a brush hauler, a dolly, and can go through a 36" gate. i like your cart, it looks well designed and purpose built; the fact is like both of them. i would love the opportunity to test both at the same time to see which one i love. so you need to send me one of your carts for testing and i'll contact these folks and see if they'll send me one of their gate friendly log arches and i'll test both for a couple of months then write up a product review and make a video showcasing each products strengths and weaknesses. with payment being one of each product. since that won't happen ;-). i think i'm just going to build my own, then you guys can nit pick mine. lol
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Jeff I know the thread originaly had nothing to do with the Stein cart, but it got mentioned by a couple of others and then yourself....so against my better judgement the curiosity forced me to ask the question. Obviously I have a vested interest in what people are looking for in this kind of hardware.
FWIW, log arches are a marvelous labour saving concept (limited within the width of the arch)....and this one, like the company who produces it looks like top quality. But for a brush cart, surely over engineered i.e. you are already pulling 200+lbs before its even loaded. What happens when you hit a slight incline in the terrain?....clearly they make reference to incorporating a winch with good reason!
Furthermore, the ground clearance looks to be no more than a couple of inches....a huge shortcoming for the most obvious reasons.
I dont know why the company didn't just design a seperate, more appropriately priced, lightweight brush&log-cart....to complement their already well established log-arch range.
Multifunctional tools are great in theory, but not so when the design severely limits their practical application.
All things that glitter etc....
Hell, your cart will probably top the lot Jeff. I have every faith in you.
treebing
Been here much more than a while
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- Detroit, Mi.
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2k may not be halfway to a mini, but I'd rather save a little longer and have a mini. One could always put an axle under a log and use the mini for drag rather than rely on manpower...or use counterweights and so on. I have lots of hills to work with here and I like combustion engines. Would I buy a log arch/hand cart? Sure, but I'd rather spend money on a tool which can do far more than allow me to haul more brush or bigger logs with my own strength.
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There is a huge investment difference between a log arch and a mini. A mini has lots of moving parts, it has continual needs which will cost you the entire life of the machine. Dont ghet me wrong, I would love a mini, but its not going to happen in this low work climate I got. THere is the initial cost of the mini, but I would also need the means to get it to the job sites and I would have look for mini-needing jobs so the mini could pay its own way.
A log Arch has no needs, no other moving parts, does not consume gas and has nothing that can break. Unless it gets stolen it can serve you the remainder of your life. If you get a mini at some point, the mini and the arch can compliment eachother
In my situation, a mini would be a commitment. I would have to make that mini earn me money. I would have to really incorporate it into my life, The log arch makes me money when I need it too, it doesnt ask anything of me. If I left a mini in the garage for months on end I would be losing money and the machine would detiorate with neglect.
THe log arch only makes me money. I dont have to worry about it or think about it when I dont need it. Its just a really good friend that serves me.
I have made some bad purchases but the log arch and the GRCS have done nothing but good for me. stress free investments that just give back.
Many jobs I go with a little ranger. I tow the chipper and put the log arch in the back. I chip on site and haul the logs to the curb. I hire a log truck to come by and pick up all the logs. I have very low overhead and knock out big removals with minimal equipment. The GRCS is my crane, the log arch is my loader. I stick those two tools in the back of my garage until the next job. my Jet Sleds are my other favorite tool.
2k may not be halfway to a mini, but I'd rather save a little longer and have a mini. One could always put an axle under a log and use the mini for drag rather than rely on manpower...or use counterweights and so on. I have lots of hills to work with here and I like combustion engines. Would I buy a log arch/hand cart? Sure, but I'd rather spend money on a tool which can do far more than allow me to haul more brush or bigger logs with my own strength.
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There is a huge investment difference between a log arch and a mini. A mini has lots of moving parts, it has continual needs which will cost you the entire life of the machine. Dont ghet me wrong, I would love a mini, but its not going to happen in this low work climate I got. THere is the initial cost of the mini, but I would also need the means to get it to the job sites and I would have look for mini-needing jobs so the mini could pay its own way.
A log Arch has no needs, no other moving parts, does not consume gas and has nothing that can break. Unless it gets stolen it can serve you the remainder of your life. If you get a mini at some point, the mini and the arch can compliment eachother
In my situation, a mini would be a commitment. I would have to make that mini earn me money. I would have to really incorporate it into my life, The log arch makes me money when I need it too, it doesnt ask anything of me. If I left a mini in the garage for months on end I would be losing money and the machine would detiorate with neglect.
THe log arch only makes me money. I dont have to worry about it or think about it when I dont need it. Its just a really good friend that serves me.
I have made some bad purchases but the log arch and the GRCS have done nothing but good for me. stress free investments that just give back.
Many jobs I go with a little ranger. I tow the chipper and put the log arch in the back. I chip on site and haul the logs to the curb. I hire a log truck to come by and pick up all the logs. I have very low overhead and knock out big removals with minimal equipment. The GRCS is my crane, the log arch is my loader. I stick those two tools in the back of my garage until the next job. my Jet Sleds are my other favorite tool.
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http://www.logrite.com/gatearch.html i want one so bad i can taste it. most people think only of hanging things and picking up things as rigging. sliding things, rolling things, screwing things is also rigging. take the windlass, its a faster to rig version of a come a long, very simple yet often over looked way to pull to items together; it is based on a screw. a lever is rigging. wedging is rigging. "open your mind; ooopen your mind; ooooopen your mind" creepy alien in total recall
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When I clicked on the link I couldn't believe what I was looking at, that machine is without doubt the most pathetic looking piece of crap I've seen in a long time. I would never buy one.
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http://www.logrite.com/gatearch.html i want one so bad i can taste it. most people think only of hanging things and picking up things as rigging. sliding things, rolling things, screwing things is also rigging. take the windlass, its a faster to rig version of a come a long, very simple yet often over looked way to pull to items together; it is based on a screw. a lever is rigging. wedging is rigging. "open your mind; ooopen your mind; ooooopen your mind" creepy alien in total recall
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When I clicked on the link I couldn't believe what I was looking at, that machine is without doubt the most pathetic looking piece of crap I've seen in a long time. I would never buy one.
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chris_girard
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http://www.logrite.com/gatearch.html i want one so bad i can taste it. most people think only of hanging things and picking up things as rigging. sliding things, rolling things, screwing things is also rigging. take the windlass, its a faster to rig version of a come a long, very simple yet often over looked way to pull to items together; it is based on a screw. a lever is rigging. wedging is rigging. "open your mind; ooopen your mind; ooooopen your mind" creepy alien in total recall
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When I clicked on the link I couldn't believe what I was looking at, that machine is without doubt the most pathetic looking piece of crap I've seen in a long time. I would never buy one.
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What are your reasons?
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http://www.logrite.com/gatearch.html i want one so bad i can taste it. most people think only of hanging things and picking up things as rigging. sliding things, rolling things, screwing things is also rigging. take the windlass, its a faster to rig version of a come a long, very simple yet often over looked way to pull to items together; it is based on a screw. a lever is rigging. wedging is rigging. "open your mind; ooopen your mind; ooooopen your mind" creepy alien in total recall
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When I clicked on the link I couldn't believe what I was looking at, that machine is without doubt the most pathetic looking piece of crap I've seen in a long time. I would never buy one.
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What are your reasons?
Jeff_Cochran
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http://www.logrite.com/gatearch.html i want one so bad i can taste it. most people think only of hanging things and picking up things as rigging. sliding things, rolling things, screwing things is also rigging. take the windlass, its a faster to rig version of a come a long, very simple yet often over looked way to pull to items together; it is based on a screw. a lever is rigging. wedging is rigging. "open your mind; ooopen your mind; ooooopen your mind" creepy alien in total recall
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When I clicked on the link I couldn't believe what I was looking at, that machine is without doubt the most pathetic looking piece of crap I've seen in a long time. I would never buy one.
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well that was the dumbest thing i have read in a really long time.
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http://www.logrite.com/gatearch.html i want one so bad i can taste it. most people think only of hanging things and picking up things as rigging. sliding things, rolling things, screwing things is also rigging. take the windlass, its a faster to rig version of a come a long, very simple yet often over looked way to pull to items together; it is based on a screw. a lever is rigging. wedging is rigging. "open your mind; ooopen your mind; ooooopen your mind" creepy alien in total recall
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When I clicked on the link I couldn't believe what I was looking at, that machine is without doubt the most pathetic looking piece of crap I've seen in a long time. I would never buy one.
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well that was the dumbest thing i have read in a really long time.
chris_girard
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LOL, Jeff, hopefully grover will fill us in on his reasons. When I first read that, Ithought he was joking.
tomthetreeman
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It's really late over there... Maybe Grover's attempt at humor... Or he's trying to market Reg's cart LOL!
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TC
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I'd like to think I'm an astute person with an inherent insight into design and ergonomics. I watch how humans interact with with their surroundings and objects within the world.
Give a man that cart, and I bet you within two to three weeks the man will have retired the cart to the back of his garage or workshop where it will nestle in amongst the other useless pieces of his arboricultural garbage which are gathering dust, such as the Unicender, the FOS lowering device and the Petzl Shunt.
It's of no interest to me.
Give a man that cart, and I bet you within two to three weeks the man will have retired the cart to the back of his garage or workshop where it will nestle in amongst the other useless pieces of his arboricultural garbage which are gathering dust, such as the Unicender, the FOS lowering device and the Petzl Shunt.
It's of no interest to me.
treebing
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thats what I love about mine. It cathers dust most of the time. But when I do pull it out it is great. I use the ability to tow logs a lot though and this model doesnt seem to have that.
chris_girard
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I'd like to think I'm an astute person with an inherent insight into design and ergonomics. I watch how humans interact with with their surroundings and objects within the world.
Give a man that cart, and I bet you within two to three weeks the man will have retired the cart to the back of his garage or workshop where it will nestle in amongst the other useless pieces of his arboricultural garbage which are gathering dust, such as the Unicender, the FOS lowering device and the Petzl Shunt.
It's of no interest to me.
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grover, to each, their own, but the Unicender, a useless piece of arboricultural garbage? Now, you must be kidding. Have you seen Tom D. climb in the Uni?
I'd like to think I'm an astute person with an inherent insight into design and ergonomics. I watch how humans interact with with their surroundings and objects within the world.
Give a man that cart, and I bet you within two to three weeks the man will have retired the cart to the back of his garage or workshop where it will nestle in amongst the other useless pieces of his arboricultural garbage which are gathering dust, such as the Unicender, the FOS lowering device and the Petzl Shunt.
It's of no interest to me.
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grover, to each, their own, but the Unicender, a useless piece of arboricultural garbage? Now, you must be kidding. Have you seen Tom D. climb in the Uni?
chris_girard
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It's really late over there... Maybe Grover's attempt at humor... Or he's trying to market Reg's cart LOL!
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Tom, I would love to market Reg's cart. In fact, as soon as Stein USA has them available hear in the States, I plan on purchasing one.
For my particular work, with the surrounding topo here in NH, the Stein cart makes more sense than a log arch.
It's really late over there... Maybe Grover's attempt at humor... Or he's trying to market Reg's cart LOL!
-Tom
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Tom, I would love to market Reg's cart. In fact, as soon as Stein USA has them available hear in the States, I plan on purchasing one.
For my particular work, with the surrounding topo here in NH, the Stein cart makes more sense than a log arch.
jim454
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It's really late over there... Maybe Grover's attempt at humor... Or he's trying to market Reg's cart LOL!
-Tom
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Tom, I would love to market Reg's cart. In fact, as soon as Stein USA has them available hear in the States, I plan on purchasing one.
For my particular work, with the surrounding topo here in NH, the Stein cart makes more sense than a log arch.
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Easy enough to just make one.
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It's really late over there... Maybe Grover's attempt at humor... Or he's trying to market Reg's cart LOL!
-Tom
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Tom, I would love to market Reg's cart. In fact, as soon as Stein USA has them available hear in the States, I plan on purchasing one.
For my particular work, with the surrounding topo here in NH, the Stein cart makes more sense than a log arch.
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Easy enough to just make one.
TC
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grover, the Unicender, a useless piece of arboricultural garbage? Now, you must be kidding.
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I am, the Unicender is an incredible piece of equipment and I wish the inventor the best of luck. I would however never use a Unicender unless I was trapped at the bottom of a deep ravine and the only way out was to ascend a single rope with a Unicender which just happened to be lying nearby(probably disgarded by a frustrated arborist(kidding!))
As a tool for work positioning in the tree, no. Same goes for Bing's F8 revolver and the ART devices. Rope on rope for me Chris, its the way nature intended, even if the ropes are synthetic, its the way nature intended....mother nature that is. I occasionally use Petzl and Jumar ascenders for ascending only SRT, but thats different.
grover, the Unicender, a useless piece of arboricultural garbage? Now, you must be kidding.
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I am, the Unicender is an incredible piece of equipment and I wish the inventor the best of luck. I would however never use a Unicender unless I was trapped at the bottom of a deep ravine and the only way out was to ascend a single rope with a Unicender which just happened to be lying nearby(probably disgarded by a frustrated arborist(kidding!))
As a tool for work positioning in the tree, no. Same goes for Bing's F8 revolver and the ART devices. Rope on rope for me Chris, its the way nature intended, even if the ropes are synthetic, its the way nature intended....mother nature that is. I occasionally use Petzl and Jumar ascenders for ascending only SRT, but thats different.
Jeff_Cochran
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personally with a few light mods and its modular design i could and would use the gat arch every day with its design you could move 40' logs around lets see you do that with a ball cart.
TC
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personally with a few light mods and its modular design i could and would use the gat arch every day with its design you could move 40' logs around lets see you do that with a ball cart.
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Jeff,
this is what I use for moving timber around the client's property, its ideal for everyday arboricultural use and I love it.
There are times when I sit in it....lunchtime and
afternoon time outs(of which there are many), it gives me a warm sense of satisfaction to sit in the basket area and become acutely aware of the client peeping out at me wondering what the hell I'm doing. Most of the time I'm reading Shigo.
personally with a few light mods and its modular design i could and would use the gat arch every day with its design you could move 40' logs around lets see you do that with a ball cart.
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Jeff,
this is what I use for moving timber around the client's property, its ideal for everyday arboricultural use and I love it.
There are times when I sit in it....lunchtime and
afternoon time outs(of which there are many), it gives me a warm sense of satisfaction to sit in the basket area and become acutely aware of the client peeping out at me wondering what the hell I'm doing. Most of the time I'm reading Shigo.
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