Adjustable False Crotches???

[richhoffman]

Been lookin' into adjustable false crotches recently. Is the advantage of a ring/pulley vs. ring/ring setup that much?

Open to suggestions!!!

 

[Axman]

Ring/ring is easier to set from the ground than ring/pulley, ring /pulley FC's feel smoother and work easier than ring/ring FC's. Overall I prefer ring to ring but go with both depending on the tree and the situation.

 

[Mark Chisholm]

I prefer the Rope Guide hands down.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

There is a continum for FCs. On one end, just above natural crotches, is the ring/ring. The other end is the Rope Guide. If you can afford the RG you won't be disappointed in the performance.

Here's one way to look at the cost of any purchase. Decide on the lowest cost item that will serve your needs. That is what it is going to cost at a minimum. Now, subtract that cost from the next most expensive item is. The difference is the actual cost since you have to buy the basic item. the difference in price is what determines value, at least to me.

My climbing system is always SRT to the TIP and then set the FC...did you get the acronyms? So...being able to set a FC from the ground isn't an issue for me. the performance in the tree is what counts. That makes the RG the best value...for me.

My second fav is a sling with a large HMS biner, the ISC Gecko is #1, for the big ring. then the pulley is attached to a screw link which has accessory cord that is made into a friction hitch so that the pulley end is adjustable. Very inexpensive and the performance is quite high.

 

[pigwot]

Tom,
Do you have a pic of that setup?

 

[richhoffman]

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Tom,
Do you have a pic of that setup?

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I think this is the one that Tom was talking about!

 

[Tom Dunlap]

That's a good model but not my fav setup. The Petzl biner is my second choice after the ISC. Keep the tail of the friction hitch shorter too. I found that the long tails didn't work as well as one that has only about two inches between the double fisherman's and the hitch.

 

[johnmeiszner]

Tom, do you ever have problems with it getting stuck when you try to retrieve it? If I'm not in the mood to attatch an ascent line or throwline to it, I won't use it, cuz I'll get it stuck for sure.

 

[Treespotter]

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Ring/ring is easier to set from the ground than ring/pulley, ring /pulley FC's feel smoother and work easier than ring/ring FC's. Overall I prefer ring to ring but go with both depending on the tree and the situation.

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How is this one. This one can be set into the tree the ring/ring way, and if you get up at the tie in point you can change to the ring thru pully way /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[tod_k]

Quite creative. I dig it. I'm rope guide all the way. There are some times I have to body thrust up a ways and would prefer to use a friction saver. Nice solution.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Occasionally the FC will get stuck. Every time it does it is because I was in a hurry and didn't plan ahead for the removal. Making sure that it isn't going to flop into a V-union or snag is the important thing.

 

[Norm_Hall]

Very clever Wolter.

 

[Axman]

That is a nice set-up, I like it.

 

[Weise_D]

Any ideas on retrivable redirects since the gods of creative tree climbing are posting? Tree spotter, I like that set-up. I love FC but sometimes think (or atleast feel the pressure from my old fashin bosses) that they just add more time to the job. I wish I used fc and retrievable redirects more. =Dan

 

[moss]

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How is this one. This one can be set into the tree the ring/ring way, and if you get up at the tie in point you can change to the ring thru pully way /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Treespotter, are you using the clevis on the lower ring to catch the knotted end of the rope when you pull the FC out of the tree? It looks like it but I guess the knot would have to pass throught the pulley and still catch on the clevis, a little tricky if that's what you're doing.

Also I really like the pulley you're using. I've tried to get one in the U.S. but have had no luck. It looks like the same pulley used in the Rope Guide. Any chance I can get you to pick up a couple for me?
-moss

 

[Treelimbjim]

Moss, I saw Mark Chisholm's AFC rig at TxTCC. Some additional techniques about passing the throw bag through or detaching it to get it through the pulley with out opening up the shivs was pretty smooth. Its the synergy of having the right gear and technique that made life easier.

The space between the pulley wheel and the shivs must be small so the throw line or parts of the throw bag won't get stuck in there. Murphy's Law rears it ugly head.

What specifically are the pulleys shown in Wolter's rig (Pict 49665)?

I find it interesting to see at the local chainsaw outlet that carries ropes and saddles now stocks at least a ring-ring FC.

 

[russelltree]

Treespotter,
I have tried to replicate this type of friction saver that you show. But the large ring slides down the length of the webbing as weight is put on the pulley. Have you had this problem, and if so, how have you overcome it?
Thanks, Russell.

 

[Cozmo]

I use a biner and pully setup, but on some of the bigger trees I climb of a retrivable pully which is really nice plus you can use the biner/pully system as a false crotch by doing the M tirck and when you are all done just pull out the FC into the the pully and bring everything down all gentle like.

 

[Weise_D]

Any pictures of this retrievable redirect? I don't really understand what you are talking about from your discription alone. =Dan

 

[Axman]

Finally was able to get one of those ART blocks, set it up similar to Wolter's FC, has worked real good the few times I have used it, no problems on the retrieval part. That block sure works nice, smooth as silk.