Actual tree work for a change

Matias said:
You're arguement seems to be that because nothing went wrong that your way is great. All I am saying is that it was merely sufficient, and not the best way it could have been done.
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I had full control of that fall... it's abc... you're making up story that has no relevance in the reality of getting a tree on the ground... the tree would still be standing there if we didn't pull it... it wasn't going anywhere. no how... no way... this is a rediculous argument...
 
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Matias said:
it seems problematic to me that you rely so heavily on the machine, and that you effectively lose some control before you wrest it back with the machine. The loggers around here have instilled in me the notion that you NEVER lose control of the piece.
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Here's one of the biggest fattest hinges I ever created... Using a 4x4 DOdge 2500, going downhill with 2:1 MA system...

That's what was needed to overcome a whole lot of side lean..

 
Daniel said:
Here's one of the biggest fattest hinges I ever created... Using a 4x4 DOdge 2500, going downhill with 2:1 MA system...

That's what was needed to overcome a whole lot of side lean..

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Is that what was required? Did you try other things that didn't work, then this worked?

Is it a story of what did work or what was required?


It's easy to see people tell stories of how their method/ success was what was required, not one of many things that could have done the job. It's a way for someone to pat themself on their back/ blow their own horn as though nobody else could have done it any other way.
 
Daniel said:
Here's one of the biggest fattest hinges I ever created... Using a 4x4 DOdge 2500, going downhill with 2:1 MA system...

That's what was needed to overcome a whole lot of side lean..

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Come out west buddy. I cut my teeth on bigger than that, and learned to do it with less gear. I too love a fat hinge and prefer to pull hard than pound wedges, but you gotta learn how to hear what people are saying. Nobody said that you've never done anything right. We all know that you have done plenty of cutting, and been paid for it. I know that I have succeeded in situations where I still could have done better. But, we are not on a stage, and the quality of our performance doesn't usually affect how much the client pays us. But don't come to a professional forum to brag about anything but your best work. That seems to be the only criticism that you recieve regularly, is that you have presented some mediocre work videos. I will go get some pics of my earliest stumps. They are horrific, but you know what? I HIT MY LAY ANYWAY! That isn't the point here.
 
southsoundtree said:
Is that what was required? Did you try other things that didn't work, then this worked?

Is it a story of what did work or what was required?


It's easy to see people tell stories of how their method/ success was what was required, not one of many things that could have done the job. It's a way for someone to pat themself on their back/ blow their own horn as though nobody else could have done it any other way.
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Very well put
 
Daniel said:
Here's one of the biggest fattest hinges I ever created... Using a 4x4 DOdge 2500, going downhill with 2:1 MA system...

That's what was needed to overcome a whole lot of side lean..

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Working end of the tagline is side-washed and hung up under what looks to be a stub at 5:47 mark. Different view at the 4:55 mark. Unacceptable in my world. Laziness or ignorance? Who fucking cares.
 
southsoundtree said:
Is that what was required? Did you try other things that didn't work, then this worked?

Is it a story of what did work or what was required?


It's easy to see people tell stories of how their method/ success was what was required, not one of many things that could have done the job. It's a way for someone to pat themself on their back/ blow their own horn as though nobody else could have done it any other way.
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I guess, according to the title, this is a back patting thread.
 
levi r said:
Did you watch the video about the wild burro, Craig? It's pretty cool, I've never seen anything like it.
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I read the article about Diesel, and his new life with the heard of Elk.
The vid wouldn't load. Net is slow here. Storms have been rolling through.

BTW... I like the levi r
 
@Daniel ever try a brow line? Essentially falling a tree into a guy line to get it to slide. Works great, and best with a porty to cushion the initial force and drop on target not unlike a cowboy zip line
 
evo said:
@Daniel ever try a brow line? Essentially falling a tree into a guy line to get it to slide. Works great, and best with a porty to cushion the initial force and drop on target not unlike a cowboy zip line
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just once after hearing about it early on at a seminar... probably late 80s or early 90s.. worked well as far as control. Big dead white oak slid right down the line, but left the line heavily spring loaded and ready to kill if mishandled.. just never went back to the technique...
 
Matias said:
I know that I have succeeded in situations where I still could have done better. But, we are not on a stage, and the quality of our performance doesn't usually affect how much the client pays us. But don't come to a professional forum to brag about anything but your best work. That seems to be the only criticism that you recieve regularly, is that you have presented some mediocre work videos.
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You still haven't defined "done better"... no one has... Rico is all pround of his perfectly straight thin hinges.. I like fat boys, tapered, center plunged, swing Dutch.. whatever it takes to fight the side lean... I laugh at the him taking so much pride over a thin ass straight hinge, like that's some awesome feat... I don't show much of that everyday cutting and rigging.

I like to show the stuff that isn't seen or shown much. I like to experiment and see what works in low risk scenarios.. And when the jobs get really hairy, I almost always leave the cameras at home. I like to stay focused. Cameras can be a big distraction. So the really hairy stuff hasn't been published.. None of you have seen my best work.. BY A LOT!

southsoundtree said:
Is that what was required? Did you try other things that didn't work, then this worked?

Is it a story of what did work or what was required?


It's easy to see people tell stories of how their method/ success was what was required, not one of many things that could have done the job. It's a way for someone to pat themself on their back/ blow their own horn as though nobody else could have done it any other way.
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And to address Southy's point.... I AM sure there are some west cost fallers that may have been able to swing that tree around with the cut only... Trying that in a residential area where the risk is wiping out a healthy mature tree or hittign the house or the power lines is what's unacceptable... Fat tapered hinge and overwhelming pulling force is what was needed to put the tree on the ground with no chance of failure... That's what's required in the backyard... That job was a while ago and I would probably cut the tree differently today, so of course there are options.. to play keyboard commnetator is one thing.. Putting hairy monster trees on the ground safely for decades is another thing altogether. Which better describes you?

What does it take to develop the confidence to do that Southy? That's a question worth exploring.
 
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Daniel said:
And when the jobs get really hairy, I almost always leave the cameras at home. I like to stay focused. Cameras can be a big distraction. So the really hairy stuff hasn't been published.. None of you have seen my best work.. BY A LOT!
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For example, this oak top was pretty big... but leaning out away from the house.. notice the big stub on the lead to the right.. The large limb that is hanging on the lowering line in the opening of this video was hanging right over the roof.. When that side came out, a cut apporaching the size of the one shown gettng lowered here had to swing to the side, on the pre-tensioned near balance point tie-off, no run and just the tips grazed the peak of the roof and the holly... had 3 cameras in the trucks for that hairy cut... that was over 11 years ago...

 
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Matias said:
But don't come to a professional forum to brag about anything but your best work. That seems to be the only criticism that you recieve regularly, is that you have presented some mediocre work videos. I will go get some pics of my earliest stumps. They are horrific, but you know what? I HIT MY LAY ANYWAY! That isn't the point here.
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This 70'+ oak top was cut from the bucket at about 15' height. The tips grazed trees on both sides and the neighbor's trees across the street doing zero damage... That was 13 years ago.. nothing like it had been shown on video before this. You'd still have a hard time fiding such a big top that just barely fit the DZ in a residential setting ... I've been putting out videos of this type of unusual work in three different decades... What have you done?

 
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