Accessing a tree

Chill the [bad word] out boys!
I like both systems i think footlockings good for short
climbs 40ft say, i like the fact it had just one more bit of kit i.e the prussik cord.

The frog system i am yet to try it looks good for bigger climbs 50ft plus,but more gear to send down or have on ya harnes.

I think thay all have good and bad points,but i dont think im going to get the frog system on just for a 30-40ft climb. thanks all matt
 
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Paolo,

your comments come across as black and white and arrogant and a bit unbalanced.

Put your money where your mouth is and share the basis of these "facts" you push in such an aggressive fashion.

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Interesting that you seem so keen to paint me as a lunatic (though I do a fair amount of staring at the moon, wondering why the hell I bother with those prejudiced against us).

The fact is that we have knowledge that you do not. And for some strange reason, you can't accept that. I don't have to apologise for that. We certainly don't have to give our knowledge for free because you demand it. We are alerting climbers to the potential dangers of tree work, and offer solutions. Some don't like it, for whatever reason. No matter - It doesn't change the facts.

Has it not yet occurred to you that other fitness professionals, not connected in the slightest to us, have also embarked on seminars at industry events to point out the ergonomic risks? I like to think we are different, in as much as we have SOLUTIONS to offer. These are qualified by my industry experience, Davina's fitness expertise and STLs knowledge and experience of safety technology.

Here is the deal - if we get the funds, we'll tell all that we know. Simple.
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I don't find it gear intensive, SRT I mean, maybe...at first I suppose, but those long ascents are so easy now, especially when working, to be able to swing back to the trunk and SRT up with the saw on my harness instead of grunting on the Ddrt system...I've only footlocked a little bit...perhaps my opinion isn't rounded...anyway i wanted to show how light the gear is...my daughter...

ermmm...maybe you guys should go into a big stadium swinging socks full of xxxx and sort out yr differences?
 

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I will SRT 20 feet and up. I'm not using the frog yet, I've got a pair of T-bars for my feet and use a single hand ascender for my right hand. I'd rather ascend this way than footlock.

I just send the gear down to the ground when I get up to where I'm going to switch over.

I don't see why there is such a big debate, both ways require you to switch over to a DdRT (unless you're working SRT) system. There are pros and cons for both ways.

Don't hate on somebody for being passionate about something.
 
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Paolo,

your comments come across as black and white and arrogant and a bit unbalanced.

Put your money where your mouth is and share the basis of these "facts" you push in such an aggressive fashion.

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Interesting that you seem so keen to paint me as a lunatic (though I do a fair amount of staring at the moon, wondering why the hell I bother with those prejudiced against us).

The fact is that we have knowledge that you do not. And for some strange reason, you can't accept that. I don't have to apologise for that. We certainly don't have to give our knowledge for free because you demand it. We are alerting climbers to the potential dangers of tree work, and offer solutions. Some don't like it, for whatever reason. No matter - It doesn't change the facts.

Has it not yet occurred to you that other fitness professionals, not connected in the slightest to us, have also embarked on seminars at industry events to point out the ergonomic risks? I like to think we are different, in as much as we have SOLUTIONS to offer. These are qualified by my industry experience, Davina's fitness expertise and STLs knowledge and experience of safety technology.

Here is the deal - if we get the funds, we'll tell all that we know. Simple.
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Now you just sound like a prick. Glad I didn't buy a TreeFlex.
 
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When I purchased a new chainsaw it had a warnining on it that using the product could cause cancer in California,Well good I dont live in California.

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It must be a regional effect, huh?
 
I started this to i can find a new way to get into a tree, Not so you all can slag each other off! Drop the ego's!!

i thought this site woz about shearing info and helping each other out?

matt
 
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I started this to i can find a new way to get into a tree, Not so you all can slag each other off! Drop the ego's!!

i thought this site woz about shearing info and helping each other out?

matt

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Well said.
Phil
 
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I started this to i can find a new way to get into a tree, Not so you all can slag each other off! Drop the ego's!!

i thought this site woz about shearing info and helping each other out?

matt

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I apologize for my part in derailing your thread.

I was simply trying to maintain that footlocking is a viable, efficient, safe way to enter a tree. I have a problem with the talk about footlocking being bad and discouraging you or anybody else from giving it a try and spending some effort to learn it right. It's a great way to get into a tree with minimal fuss.

I have no qualms with other methods of access because I use them too. I frogged almost exclusively for six months... I don't like ladders but when it's appropriate, I climb a ladder... sometimes body thrusting is still the best way to get up a section of trunk. The idea that something is bad because it's not ergonomic ignores a lot of other factors that only the climber can know at the time.

I think it's kind of clear now why Lazarus is coming on so strong... he's selling something.

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I should follow that up by saying I have no problem with selling products, ideas and solutions. I DO have a problem with selling anything by maligning a competitive idea or solution. If you've got something good, lets talk about its merits.
 
hay blinky no probs.

i know what you are saying i think the same about the footlocking.
and i think if you have something to say it but dont get into this bull [bad word] of slaging each other off, iim not stupid i can see wots goin on. matt
 
Yeah I apoligize for derailing the thread I guess I get annoyed by hidden agendas.Anyway the tree frog is a great way of entering a tree and like Blinky said so are alot of other ways.Im not really sure about the regional effect I was being a little sarcastic but im sure you knew that.
 
ok cool,

dose anyone have good pics and or vids or the frog is use?
do you have to have a chest harness and a chest ascender? or can i just have my knut?
thanks matt
 
Wow! There really are some hateful people!

TreeFlex is as great for footlocking as it is for SRT - I sense an opportunity for a special edition with go-faster stripes.
 
Wow! There really are some hateful people!

TreeFlex is as great for footlocking as it is for SRT - I sense an opportunity for a special edition with go-faster stripes.

if you dont want to help then then dont comment.
 
Hey Matt

I am helping by pointing out some risks. There are many threads and posts on buzz where I've already talked about it - I don't have the time to keep repeating it over and over I'm afraid. If you haven't been here long you obviously wouldn't know that. Sorry for any confusion.

Search my posts or the training and health thread. I'd do it for you, only the buzz search never works for me.

As you're in the UK, shouldn't be too much of a trip down to the APF show to have me explain it in person. Much more effective that way.

In the meantime, I think there should be a vid of me doing some routine frog walking on this thread pretty soon. Hope you're OK with that.

Cheers
P.
 
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