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Nice Jeff, you techie.

Hey, gotta do something in the winter! I'm not climbing a tree in 15* weather, when I know perfectly well it will still be there in spring!
When you guys post pics of you climbing on a snowy tree in winter, my wife says, "Those guys are nuts! You ain't doing that."
 
He has goggles on, likely an ATV rider that got shot trying to smuggle in counterfeit X-Rigging Rings into the country.

I believe I found the outfit these smugglers were wearing to try and blend in to the Xclusive ring business - explaining even more the bold colors in this "tragic" scene......
 

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In response to someone's sweet dart in the back, and for what it's worth, SherrillTree didn't produce a conduit-style friction saver (new material for old tool) until 3-plus years after witnessing Dan House in the company of a Taiwanese tree climber selling the exact same devise, uncontested, at a recreational climbing event. It's like the Harrison Rocket throw weight design, to my recollection Andrew Harrison never recognized, much less paid restitution to the original throw weight inventor (Tom Ness). When Weaver Leather offered this higher flying shape to the market, ALL suppliers signed on. Were some people pissed? Yes. Should Ness have filled a simple patent? Ask him.

In my opinion, if it's a good idea, and you want to make fame of it, get it patent-protected. If it's not then take your chances harvesting initial revenues and put it out there. But don't cry over spilt milk. My gosh if i had a dime for every time SherrillTree was copied I'd be a rich man.

As for social media it's stunning how stories get contrived and then regurgitated into distorted versions of falseness. To this day, no one has, nor can site a single legitimate occurrence, not even a legal filing against Sherrill, Inc. intruding on someone's protected idea. That's because it's never happened. SherrillTree simply wouldn't have made it out of the 80’s, much less the industry's most innovative decade (the 90's) doing people wrong. We have and always will treat customers and potential customers with the utmost respect, even in this age of
 
Hi Tobe,
Would enjoy playing a game of darts with you someday, should that opportunity ever afford itself.
My comment re. the Dan House FS were based on Dan's post (#10?) in this thread:
http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/inventors-innovators-improvements-for-arborist.26391/

"In August of 2011 I was somewhat surprised to find that a well-known arborist supply house was selling yet another version of rope sleeves. I was never asked for the opportunity to add them as a vendor. I even added a review on their website suggesting the ends be taped bright colors to aid in use. Within a year reports from arborists started coming in about how cheap the conduit was being used and damage to ropes is not acceptable. I was able to conduct an autopsy on a broken sleeve and found they used imported conduit. Andas the saying goes: “Always insist on an official Dan House Rope Sleeve”."
 
I don't like darts.

However, I'd be glad to hear Dan (whom I consider a friend) deny specifics sited and witnessed by many. Ultimately, I think the quality of materials spoke for themselves and we halted production.

Peace
 
"To gild refined gold, to paint the lily, to throw a perfume on the violet, to smooth the ice, or add another hue unto the rainbow, or with taper-light to seek the beauteous eye of heaven to garnish, is wasteful and ridiculous excess."
King John - William Shakespeare

Wow, Stihlmadd, thanks for that reference! Well done. One can get a heck of an education on this forum. Much appreciated.

Tim
 
For every patent issued, hundreds are rejected. That's because painting a bumper jack green and calling it a T-post removal tool doesn't make it a patentable device. It makes no difference whether you were the first one to figure out that a bumper jack will pull a post out of the ground, or not. If you made substantial alterations to the bumper jack to make it better at pulling T-posts, you might be able to patent it, but you would still have to pay licensing fees to whoever held the patent on the bumper jack you started with. Different types of patents are good for varying time periods, so you might have a small window in which to make your fortune (or go bankrupt) before the patent expires. Pharmaceutical companies effectively extend their patents by slightly changing the formula (not re-patentable) and then patenting the process by which they produce the drug. Since they have a pretty good idea of how long it takes to come up with another method or process to make the formulation, this is an effective (abeit sleazy) way of keeping cheaper alternatives to their product off the market. The patent circus has a lot of monkeys, smoke, mirrors and billionaire ringleaders to deal with. It's also not very cost effective unless you're damn sure there's a lot of money to be made.

The issue of morality or ethics in business is even more slippery. Expecting any business to walk a higher ground than their competitors sounds great, if you only listen to the friends of some perceived victim of unethical business practices. But if you sold Whatchamajiggers for a living, and for every call or email you received, 90% of them were asking if there wasn't some more affordable version of Whatchamajigger on the market... well, you might go looking for something cheaper, or even consider producing them yourself. In the end, it is the consumers who will dictate whether it is more unethical to compete in a given market, or to ignore the consumer's desire for alternatives to a given product by only offering one brand.

You can buy the shiny Whatchamajigger, or the camouflage Whatchamajigger, the cheapass Whatchamajigger or the Whatchamajigger that does the best job of fixing the Thingamabobber. Or, you can whine about the lack of justice in a capitalist economy and look into becoming a plumber or an accountant or some other Whatchamajigger-free occupation.

Now, y'all want any more gasoline thrown on that fire, or can we get back to roastin' weenies and drinkin' beer?
 
No, not yet JeffGu.


When you are fine with someone moving into your town and starting up a business that looks eerily similar to yours and is called JeffGu-Gu. (Wait - I had to answer the door and accept a TreeStuff package from UPS [for real])


When you laugh off that you took very real financial risks which took significant money from home and hearth.


When you find it amusing all the added strain that is put on your marriage.


When your decades of effort is best summed up in your mind by your best friend just having them cut his tree.

When etc...

When you are laughing about all of that and finding it fine, then sure, I’ll have a beer with you and watch you roast your weenie in frustration.
 
For me it is not about "friends", it is about what is best for our industry. Take the guy I like the least and I would say the same thing on his behalf. Because it is not about the person. It is about US.

Take away the financial motive from a inventor or innovator, even more than that take away the emotional reward and soon you will get less and less.

Others are watching what we will do.
 
Morals are real things that have real value in my mind. They also have value to others in the business world. I think they can make a person or a business money as well as be a comforting thing to focus on while one is on there death bed slipping in and out of consiousness.
 
Merle- it seems from your posts that you are good natured and well intentioned. I respect your online entity. That being said, I must pick a bone with you.

You talk about what's best for the industry. Also about financial motivation. I'm sure that you know this is a cold world. There is a fine line between personal life and business. If you had spent the last decade "developing" a product that already existed I might call you a dummy. Which is why when the rings first debuted I said the same thing. Greed and the desire for notarity will drive one to a miserly existence.
 
The problem with competition is that you have to beat the other guy out, not just wear the same funny hat and call yourself something similar. I've never given a hoot about somebody else "moving in" on any business I've run... for the simple reason that the only way anybody can be in business is if competition isn't restricted to some good old boy system. Otherwise, you have monopolies and regardless of how good your product or service is, you ain't playin' the game, because it's fixed. Business is a gamble, staying in business is an art form. Starting any business is a gamble, whether you are the first one on the block, or the last. If you think your business should be protected from competition, then you've missed the whole point of a free enterprise system. The purpose of anti-trust laws are to prevent the big players from owning an industry, using connections, money, power and market position to muscle out competition. Since the topic began with a product already on the market, expanded to a business outside of the original market, and expanded within that market by an existing "big player" who still sells the other product line... I fail to see how anyone is guilty of threatening the livelihood of the "little guy". If you want to use a toilet plunger to lift manhole covers, you're dense if you think the manhole cover company won't release a toilet plunger with a nicer handle on it shortly after you bring your wonderful, innovative product to market. Neither you or the company that makes manhole covers deserves any special consideration or protection, because all either of you have done is take a plunger out of a shithole and moved it to a manhole. Both will still have to compete to stay in the business of selling a vaguely innovative use for somebody else's invention.
 

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