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  1. climbhightree

    Fu*%face Von Clownstick

    Umm I know generally how the system works, but that wasnt the point of my post. Sorry I used the word "convict, which you got hung up on. I noticed you didnt answer my question, nice deflection. So how much evidence would you need to indict him? Would you have passed on the opportunity to...
  2. climbhightree

    Fu*%face Von Clownstick

    So if you were on the grand jury, how much evidence would you have needed to convict him? To me is sounds like you would say convict him, even if you had no solid evidence, just based on your opinion/thoughts of him. I can't imagine you would let him go even if you only had gray or hearsay...
  3. climbhightree

    PennDel Shade Tree Symposium

    Julie and I will be there and have a booth for our crane service (since we are out of the tree trimming business)...we will have some promotional items to give out :cool:
  4. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    So once again that really says nothing. I asked what you would do. You counted on him being there working a full day for his "cut". His price is 300 a day, but he bailed early. what do you do? Putting it in real world here.
  5. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Set his own schedule? So if you schedule a all day job and 5 hours into it your sub groundie says he is done and needs to leave, does he get a full days pay? Does the customer have to wait for completion to another day, even though they were told one day? Do you then do the ground work and get...
  6. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    But not everyone is that way. In fact a lot of people are not, which is why they stay at flipping burgers at mcdonalds etc. Which is why there are so many on unemployment, when they could actually work.
  7. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Most likely because everyone had a good work ethic and was applying themselves, or bettering themselves.
  8. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    True, but doesn’t necessarily mean that his one vote has sway. Plus doesn't address the other things I mentioned
  9. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    But that groundie may not be getting a livable wage. Eventually he might think he deserves a bigger cut.
  10. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    OK. So that company was established in 2005,and only became the employee owned thing in 2011. So it was a well established company with likely most of the start up risks and cost already dealt with...and most likely the owner already made a really decent profit. He probably still does...i would...
  11. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Yes but those still are just words. Someone along that line is almost always going to feels screwed. Feels like too much was left in the business, feels like they put more money/time in the business, feels like the cost of work was too high (but they had to get it done...so now they are strapped...
  12. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    OK was just trying to have a factual debate and get it past just ideas and theories, but if you don't want support your side by presenting an outline of a real world example for a tree company, that is OK. I just don't see how it would work and everyone would feel equally treated and fair in...
  13. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    @L3VI That says nothing really, just an idea of a theory. Give a write out of how you would break out cost and wages from a owner down to a groundie Edit - please include cost to homeowner to...what is a fair price to remove a tree if they do or do not have much money
  14. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    I am fully aboard giving help to others...we have had this conversation in the past. I just don't think it is the governments (or anyone's) responsibilty to force me to do so...by saying I, or anyone, makes to much profit. Even going back to the original post, I think it is excessive and I...
  15. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    So to try to keep this somewhat on topic and not to far down another rabbit trail. How do you suggest to make it fair and equitable, without taking more profit from those who put in the most risk, time, and costs...especially at the business start up time? Because by doing that (taking the...
  16. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Mcdonalds was a start, a first job and yes part time. It isn't meant to be a life time supporting job, unless you move up to be manager...owner...owning multiple one. Which happens fairly often. I have only worked at 4 jobs in my 46 years. One of those my own company.
  17. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Never said or claimed I had it rough. I fully recognize others have it WAY worse then me, and others have had it worse than you. I am just saying I worked for what I have...just like you have.I respect you for that. You got to where you are by your hard work and never giving up...that is...
  18. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    Oh I can guarantee Rico won't share a beer (or any drink) with me...though I would have no problem sharing one with him. I am not saying it is someone's specific fault, and I don't think anyone else has either. But some are saying it is the whites fault, the rich fault, etc ... and being like...
  19. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    I will agree luck has a part in it. Being in the right place at the right time. But that doesn't mean it is someone else's fault that you don't make it, nor what your generational past looked like. Or that if you didn't make it someone owes you money for absolutely nothing.
  20. climbhightree

    2023 Contract Climber Rates?

    But you arent asking for a hand up...you are pushing for a handout with no extra work or involved risks. I put in the time, energy and work ethic with my boss that he could see I was qualified to treat his customers fairly and correctly. He took a risk selling to me, and I took a risk buying...

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