Fu*%face Von Clownstick

Shadowscape said:
The, "If you don't like it, then leave" people are great at saying that, but then they complain about Biden doing everything wrong. I don't see any of them leaving. Why not? Because they apparently don't like it.
If Trump gets in again the, "Live free or die" people should just go someplace and die, but they won't.
Just a lot of hot air being thrown about with no meaning what-so-ever by a bunch of idiots. Their only idea of living free is to be able to carry around an AR15 and pack a gun on their hip. Actual freedom is a total mystery to them.
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I agree with most of that, but unfortunately they're not all idiots. Adam Conover recently did an episode on his podcast about how it is that smart people become convinced of conspiracy theories, and I think a lot of the same logic applies to the non idiot Trump supporters.

Also, remember that when you're raised a certain way and then just stay in that bubble because it's familiar and makes you comfortable, you don't necessarily realize that you're a bigot, and it's hard to wake up to that after more and more time passes.
 
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Contradiction in terms.
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As often as that is true, I have had conversations with people that I thought were intellectually capable of holding their own, but supported Trump. They were however, all racist, and hate poor people; generally think women are less than men, homophobic.... You can be mean, and not necessarily an idiot.

They don't care to reflect on why it is they feel the way they do.
 
I guess what you're saying is that only idiots are assholes? Because I am arguing that while both idiots and assholes are pro Trump, and while the Venn diagram is nearly a perfect circle, there are folks who exist near the edges of that spectrum. There are kind idiots, and there are cruel, bigoted people of sufficient intelligence that I hesitate to call them idiots. Being pro Trump does make it hard to guess from a superficial analysis. But, it's still just a hypothesis; you've had a lot more time than me to gather data...
 
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Bucknut said:
In short, yes. The hazard of unprecedented, unregulated mass illegal immigration is the lessening of economic opportunity. And the irony is that these insane policies will hurt exactly those the Dems claim to want to help most. The poor (Americans and migrants) will suffer from drastically depressed wages, if they can even find a job. Face it; if you have 20 unskilled workers applying for the same job wages go down and you have a lot of unemployed who become a burden to the rest of us. Won’t happen tomorrow but it will happen if this goes unchecked. Madness.


A simple and necessary first test of your fitness/desire to be an American: did you cross illegally or did you obey our laws and wait your turn? If your first act upon arriving in America is to break the law, you forfeit any assumption of goodwill or desire to assimilate.



What the hell are you on about? (Looks delicious.)
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There are a couple big problems with this manifesto of yours.. First you are assuming a majority of the people crossing the border illegally are “unskilled”. As someone who knows, lives around, and works with undocumented people I can tell you that you couldn’t be further from the truth. Most of these folks are skilled, honest, hardworking, and a major asset to their communities.

And while your spewing your nonsense about the “unprecedented” flow of brown vermin causing massive unemployment, our unemployment number are historically low. I believe that as of June 17 states were experiencing record low unemployment, and another 14 states were very near record low unemployment. And while all this is going on Uncle Joe is creating jobs at a historic rate.

Another problem you have is that there are 8-9 million unfilled job openings in America, while at the same time the American labor force is shrinking. Are you gonna frame that house, build that rock fireplace, or tend to the vineyards? I didn’t think so.
 
LOL Uncle Joe creating jobs. They shut the damn country down for a year and a half. Easy to go up when you start at rock bottom.

As far as framing a house or building a fireplace: you’re talking to a guy who climbs trees in the snow like I’m afraid of hard work? Come on.

They’re called “laws” of economics for a reason. They aren’t guesses or suggestions. When labor supply goes up, the price of labor goes down. The rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer. And Uncle Joe just keeps letting more in.

Interesting that you would even think to call them “brown vermin”. I never did.
 
Bucknut said:
LOL Uncle Joe creating jobs. They shut the damn country down for a year and a half. Easy to go up when you start at rock bottom.

As far as framing a house or building a fireplace: you’re talking to a guy who climbs trees in the snow like I’m afraid of hard work? Come on.

They’re called “laws” of economics for a reason. They aren’t guesses or suggestions. When labor supply goes up, the price of labor goes down. The rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer. And Uncle Joe just keeps letting more in.

Interesting that you would even think to call them “brown vermin”. I never did.
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Please correct if I am wrong, but I believe it was Trump, the guy you voted for twice, who started the covid shut downs and lost all the jobs. I guess you could say Donny did just the opposite of Uncle Joe. Trump inherited the longest continuous jobs growth and continuous economic growth in our nations history and drove em both into the gutter. Joe turned the lemons into lemonade, and Donny turned the lemonade into a steaming pile of dog shit.

And despite all your doom and gloom nonsense about the economy under Biden we’re seeing very low unemployment, massive job creation, the stock market is hitting record highs, and wage increases that are beginning to outpace inflation. It called progress bro.
 
We live in different worlds. Maybe it’s a California thing? I don’t think the rest of the country agrees with your assessment:
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God I hope he keeps this up. He will “progress” his way to civilian life.
 
Bucknut said:
We live in different worlds. Maybe it’s a California thing? I don’t think the rest of the country agrees with your assessment:
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God I hope he keeps this up. He will “progress” his way to civilian life.
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We agree with him in Minnesota.

The Washington Times was founded on May 17, 1982, by Unification Church leader Sun Myung Moon and owned until 2010 by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate founded by Moon. It is currently owned by Operations Holdings, which is a part of the Unification Church movement.

Quality source of information you post there from a very conservative outlet.
 
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www.forbes.com

Biden Leads Trump In These Key Battleground States—But Is Still Losing Popular Vote, New Poll Finds

While Biden leads by four points in seven of the most closely contested states in the 2020 presidential election, Trump would win the election overall by two points, the survey found.
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They may not approve of Joe, but he will beat out the Duck.

Interesting: I did a little digging into the Monmouth poll. Seems they were asking what your favorite Christmas cookie was along with many other things. Biden was one question in a pile of questions for that poll. Sounds a bit like a school class project rather than any official Biden approval poll. And I doubt who ever took this poll left the N.J. campus.

Not saying the figures are wrong. Could very well be. But it does explain where you seek your information from, which helps explain why you think like you do.
 
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Bucknut said:
We live in different worlds. Maybe it’s a California thing? I don’t think the rest of the country agrees with your assessment:
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God I hope he keeps this up. He will “progress” his way to civilian life.
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Still doesn't change the FACT that unemployment numbers are historically low, job creation is historically high, the stock market is at historic highs, and wages are now rising faster than inflation. I can't help but notice that you can't and won't refute those facts, and instead resort to a poll from the fucking Washington Times. What a sad world it must be to live in where the ugly narrative playing in your head is louder than reality.
 
Minute derail, but when did being a politician turn into putting out books to sell? Seems every politician who is in the headlines has a book out. They must have way too much free time on their hands, time that could be spent working for us, like they supposed to be. Seems they are making more from the sales of their books than from the job as Senators.
Duckworth made almost 3 times her salary in book sale royalties last year. Duckworth! Imagine what Warren, Graham, Hawley, McConnell, Paul, Menendez, Sanders, Scott, Rubio, Cruz and Cheney are making from book sales. And let's not forget Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert's books. Why would Senators do Senate work when books pay way more. Now Chris Christie has one coming out. 39 Senators wrote books that were published in 2023 so far. It is a wonder anything gets done.
Back to "The Duck".
 
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"Selling" books is a sham.

Little of the money goes through a cash register like a brick store front. They books are a phony way to raise campaign money or to pay for their life style. Many will be 'best sellers' because cronies buy them by the pallet from printers. Those pallets of books go right from the printer to the book pulper to be recycled as twelve pack boxes. Never to end up in anyone's hands to be dog eared or find that important passages are highlighted.

Look at the selling price of these books. They are super inflated in a contrived way to make the money raising a dodge around campaign fundraising.

Carl Hiassen has been contracted, well, contacted anyway, to ghost write my story. Some of my Treebuzz buddies will be quoted on the jacket and shill for me on Colbert.
 
Tom Dunlap said:
"Selling" books is a sham.

Little of the money goes through a cash register like a brick store front. They books are a phony way to raise campaign money or to pay for their life style. Many will be 'best sellers' because cronies buy them by the pallet from printers. Those pallets of books go right from the printer to the book pulper to be recycled as twelve pack boxes. Never to end up in anyone's hands to be dog eared or find that important passages are highlighted.

Look at the selling price of these books. They are super inflated in a contrived way to make the money raising a dodge around campaign fundraising.

Carl Hiassen has been contracted, well, contacted anyway, to ghost write my story. Some of my Treebuzz buddies will be quoted on the jacket and shill for me on Colbert.
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There was an article (3-4 years ago) on how they can use campaign funds to purchase their own books, and it is legal to do. Found it.
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Senators Use Campaign-Donor Money To Buy Their Own Books

Tom Cotton, Elizabeth Warren, Tammy Duckworth and others seem to be snapping up their own books using money that donors gave to support their political campaigns.
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Makes you wonder just how much of what you donate to a politician's campaign actually goes to campaigning. The Duck is spending all his donated campaign money on his legal defense bills. Not going to spend his own money when he can spend his sheep's money on million-dollar expert witnesses that fail miserably on the stand, and lawyers who don't know their way around a courtroom. But, I am all for that one. Spend away! Shear them sheep!
 
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Shadowscape said:
There was an article (3-4 years ago) on how they can use campaign funds to purchase their own books, and it is legal to do. Found it.
www.forbes.com

Senators Use Campaign-Donor Money To Buy Their Own Books

Tom Cotton, Elizabeth Warren, Tammy Duckworth and others seem to be snapping up their own books using money that donors gave to support their political campaigns.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
Makes you wonder just how much of what you donate to a politician's campaign actually goes to campaigning. The Duck is spending all his donated campaign money on his legal defense bills. Not going to spend his own money when he can spend his sheep's money on million-dollar expert witnesses that fail miserably on the stand, and lawyers who don't know their way around a courtroom. But, I am all for that one. Spend away! Shear them sheep!
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Using campaign donations to buy your own books?!? How is that not embezzling!?!?
 
Shadowscape said:
Quality source of information you post there from a very conservative outlet.
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I had never heard of the Washington Times. It popped up first in the Google machine. But
I gotta think they’re still a step above MSNBC or CNN if we’re judging bias/credibility as a news organization. ;)

FWIW the same Monmouth poll was cited by Fox News, Bloomberg, and Yahoo News among others. I’ll spare you the screenshots. Point is, his numbers aren’t great. So now I’m confused. Because @rico tells me we’re living the dream; it’s the roaring 20’s all over again, milk and honey everywhere- including his pecan tortilla.

Problem is my damn lying eyes and ears. I haven’t met a single person in recent memory who has anything good to say about the economy. No one- and we work for customers of all backgrounds and income levels. No one thinks things are good because they aren’t. No one is talking about how easy it is this year to buy Christmas presents. Because it’s hard. You get the point. My theory is that people vote their experience. They trust their gut and their eyes more than any article in the NYT about how everything really is great- when food and rent are about all you can muster.

If and when people vote for Trump it has little to do with the man. He is simply a GIANT middle finger to the people currently presiding over our obvious and precipitous decline. He’s just a symbol. A wrecking ball for an elite administrative class that should have been condemned years ago.
 
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