Critique my "treehabilitation"

ATH

Been here much more than a while
Location
Findlay, Ohio
First a bit of backstory...(skip to pics if you'd rather)
Last year, the city snow plow crews went around and cut branches back from the road they found problematic while plowing. Certainly necessary work. They topped a lot of branches. I ended up talking with the street department supervisor, the guy who is in the street department to whom all tree questions are directed, and a tree commission member (and friend) to discuss how that could be done better. I offered to take a few hours and do a pruning training. Basically, was going to talk about how to make property cuts at branch collars. The branches they topped could have been removed and everything would have been better off (as you all already know...). They said sounds great. Never called back to schedule.

Last week leaving church after Christmas eve service, I see a young tree in front of our building has been topped. I called street department and said "I see the tree in front of our building along Main Street was mutilated...what's done is done, I just want to make sure nobody touches the trees on the other road (corner lot), we'll take care of those." Lady answering phone blamed it on electric company. I said "no...there aren't overhead lines and the same thing happened to all the trees on main." She said they don't prune trees, but will pass it along. A bit later supervisor calls me back and says they didn't do it...he thinks the owner of the apartments across the street did (they topped their own tree in the summer, now it is all the trees along Main, so I know it wasn't them).

My tree commissioner friend isn't one to give up easily. He went to several downtown businesses. They all said they saw city trucks doing it. He has another conversation with supervisor. "Well, our guy did a tree by such-and-such restaurant". I looked at that tree...yeah, whoever did that did them all. Commissioner talks to supervisor again...he admits they did them all.

I don't have a pic before anything was done. Before pic is what it looked like when I showed up. After is what it looks like after we pruned it. I know it is not a model of young tree pruning...that was ruined before I got to it. I'm just curious to hear your thoughts.

Before:
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and After
After.jpg




Also took couple pics up into the canopy. It needed pruned years ago...
(we've only been in the building for a year, so I'm only taking a small part of the blame for that - its been on the to do list!)
Top before.jpg


Here is what i did up there (the branch on the left is not taller than the "leader"....just a bad angle.
Top after.jpg


Fire away!
Thanks.
 
Looks like you got it straightened out. What kinda tree is that, pear? Sorry I don't have anymore detailed feedback or criticism, looks like it's young enough to recover from the topping :)
 
Trees are way too tolerant of the abuse we heap on them.

If alleged 'preventive maintenance' like this were compared to rotating tires...this is leaving all of the lug nuts on finger tight.

We're faced with being the doom and gloomers that aren't listened to because we're the only ones who have experience with Tree Time.
 
Looks like you got it straightened out. What kinda tree is that, pear? Sorry I don't have anymore detailed feedback or criticism, looks like it's young enough to recover from the topping :)
Some kind of hybrid elm. Honestly, not sure which one. Certainly has U. pumila in there somewhere based on the way it cuts (gums up hand saw) and the buds.
 
Looks like you did what needed to be done! Those hybrid Elms can tolerate hard pruning that’s for sure. The frontier Elms (red fall color) seem to need pruning every other year.

The city should hire you as a consultant and/or to contract the street tree pruning. Maybe the tree board guy could introduce that idea and see if they could set aside an annual budget? Getting a Central leader on those hybrid elms can be a challenge.

I just got a Street tree pruning contract for the town I live in and the mayor asked to have the street maintenance guys help with clean up of debris in exchange for some pruning training. However, I would volunteer to do pruning training anytime.
 
Sounds like what we got here. The counties policy is to hack off everything up to 30’.. no regard to size of cut or anything that resembles a proper cut. It’s so bad it’s a liability trap for them, they are causing more hazards than mitigation.

I don’t understand why they are topping the trees for snowplow clearances?

I’d personally error on letting the tree recover then doing the corrective pruning. I think I can see where it was topped before, where all the unions are about the same spots.

Municipalities are an epic pain in the ass. We have a city tree removal ordnance, it has no teeth nor fine other than replanting at a 2:1 with trees or shrubs ‘appropriate to the site’.. finally it’s getting reviewed, but now they are trying to write in the tree service can be sued for damages by any citizen for removing a tree without a permit.
 
I don’t know. What you did was certainly an improvement, but the original could have been far worse. Looks like their tool of choice was pruner instead of chainsaw which is a step in the right direction. Shape is not awful and doesn’t look like the amount removed was drastic. I’d much rather criticize municipal tree guys for leaving too much than taking too much. Around here those trees would likely have been reduced by 40%. Literally. Chainsaw cuts only.

Your work is considered, deliberate, precise. His was loosely competent and adequate. Look at it this way- at least he left enough tree that it could be improved by taking MORE off. When they are hat-racked by people who truly don’t care, all the educated remedial pruning in the world is useless.
 
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I think you polished a turd for sure. Cuts all seem small enough to not cause any permanent damage. Probably a couple of restoration sessions in the future AND a root collar excavation and should be sweet.
 
I think you polished a turd for sure. Cuts all seem small enough to not cause any permanent damage. Probably a couple of restoration sessions in the future AND a root collar excavation and should be sweet.
My helper dug around the root collar after pruning and found/removed a root around the trunk ... Not quite putting pressure on the trunk yet.
 
... Looks like their tool of choice was pruner instead of chainsaw which is a step in the right direction. Shape is not awful and doesn’t look like the amount removed was drastic. I’d much rather criticize municipal tree guys for leaving too much than taking too much. Around here those trees would likely have been reduced by 40%. Literally. Chainsaw cuts only.

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Appreciate the feedback. Oddly ,when looking at the cuts, there were chainsaw cuts. Those are really small cuts to use a chainsaw on.

Agreed about them not taking too much. Left us something to work with any how. I'm just not sure what the goal/target/plan was. Just shorten everything I guess.
 
I don’t understand why they are topping the trees for snowplow clearances?

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Lower horizontal branches...they just make toppings cuts instead of proper reduction cuts or often removing the entire branch would be better...I suppose I should look at it as when the top those we can at least clean them up and make a branch collar cut. Better than them making flush cuts on the trunk.
 
Looks like you did what needed to be done! Those hybrid Elms can tolerate hard pruning that’s for sure. The frontier Elms (red fall color) seem to need pruning every other year.

The city should hire you as a consultant and/or to contract the street tree pruning. Maybe the tree board guy could introduce that idea and see if they could set aside an annual budget? Getting a Central leader on those hybrid elms can be a challenge.

I just got a Street tree pruning contract for the town I live in and the mayor asked to have the street maintenance guys help with clean up of debris in exchange for some pruning training. However, I would volunteer to do pruning training anytime.
The city says they don't prune - responsibility or adjacent owner.

Guy on tree commission has tried to get more young tree training...not much response.

His whole street was replanted several years ago. He's hired me to keep up with his (I think 3 times now). He also knocks on all the neighbors' doors ahead to ask if they want theirs done as well and givese a list.

I think ultimately the problem is nobody making decisions with the city sees the trees as assets... until that changes, not much is going to improve.
 
The city says they don't prune - responsibility or adjacent owner.

Guy on tree commission has tried to get more young tree training...not much response.

His whole street was replanted several years ago. He's hired me to keep up with his (I think 3 times now). He also knocks on all the neighbors' doors ahead to ask if they want theirs done as well and givese a list.

I think ultimately the problem is nobody making decisions with the city sees the trees as assets... until that changes, not much is going to improve.
I’m sure you’re involved and know what’s going on there. It would be nice if the the city would take caring for the street trees a little more seriously from the sounds of it! I did three PowerPoint presentations for city Council in my little town which seemed to help but the biggest boost was we got a new mayor that really cares about trees and parks. Seems like that’s the only way anything gets done is if somebody at the top makes it a priority.
 
Resurrecting this from last year because I returned to the scene this week. As expected, the Elm grew like mad - 6-8' shoots in several cases. Cleaned the tree up a little more trying to keep as much of a central leader defined as possible.

When we showed up this year:
before.jpg


What we left:
after.jpg


And the tree across the street they topped summer 2022:

Across st.jpg
 
Resurrecting this from last year because I returned to the scene this week. As expected, the Elm grew like mad - 6-8' shoots in several cases. Cleaned the tree up a little more trying to keep as much of a central leader defined as possible.

When we showed up this year:
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What we left:
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And the tree across the street they topped summer 2022:

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It doesn't take an arborist to appreciate the difference now! Get it booooouy!!!

Seriously, I hope they come and compare, and take notes.
 
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Resurrecting this from last year because I returned to the scene this week. As expected, the Elm grew like mad - 6-8' shoots in several cases. Cleaned the tree up a little more trying to keep as much of a central leader defined as possible.

When we showed up this year:
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What we left:
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And the tree across the street they topped summer 2022:

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Looks good! A few more years you won’t be able to tell it even happened. I would think those hybrid elms are pretty forgiving. But that one across the street still looks like a witches broom nightmare :)

I saw these trees last time I was up there and knew they had to be the ones you were talking about. Love how that old downtown has thrived!
 

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