Covid Close To You

Here goes Kevin Bacon. Customer's daughter's husband. Husband's father staunch anti vaxxer, goes to worship, comes home sick. Spreads it to his brother, both around 60 yrs old, healthy, health food, exercise, ex policeman and ex firefighter. Both die within a week of each other. Father's wife survives but has weakness and mental fog. Now the remaining family members who were harped at to make sure they don't get vaccinated by the two dead brothers, do get vaccinated. Customer, long time, was visibly upset by how close to her daughter this struck. Holy crap, you can't make stuff like this up and it's still real and happening. I've met the daughter but not her husband.
 
Got my booster(3rd shot) at work on Monday. Had no side effects exactly as the first 2 went for me. I also had a Hep. B, flu shot and MMR Vax a week prior on Monday so that's 4 shots in the last 8 days with no reaction. I must be just lucky to not have bad responses to vaccination. Lots of co-workers felt like garbage for 12 hours or so but it passed.
 
Hopefully, this video starts at the last section titled 'conclusions'. If not, just skip to there if you have an aversion to indepth information.
Sole reliance on these particular vaccines to mitigate the threat of developing Covid-19 or spreading it is not a wise move.

 
DSMc said:
Hopefully, this video starts at the last section titled 'conclusions'. If not, just skip to there if you have an aversion to indepth information.
Sole reliance on these particular vaccines to mitigate the threat of developing Covid-19 or spreading it is not a wise move.

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I prefer to get my medical advice from medical professionals. This guy is an economist, not an M.D.

I only watched a tiny bit of the video, so I'm not saying he's wrong; I'm just not taking my health advice from an economist.

Makes me think about all the talking heads in the news saying "do your own research" regarding covid. Watch some videos where they ask random people on the street to answer simple science questions. Then consider the qualifications of the average person for doing their own covid research.
 
Chris is not giving medical advice. He is doing what he was trained for and that is analyzing statistics. He does a much better job at it and with less bias than most I have listened to.
 
N95 mask, washing your hands, social distancing. Getting shot used to be 19/20 or 95% but now is 1 in 11 (instead of 1in20) chance of breakthrough infection/serious/death because of Delta variant.

Smallest, simplest medical research I've ever had to do or memorise. Hardly changed since the beginning. So simple to understand and execute.

Don't do whatever portion, understand you've increased your risk. Some people choose more risk. But it's still all so simple.

It sure ain't over and don't believe anyone who says it's all good now!
 
Both my boys had it and my wife and myself managed to get through it nursing them in the house and are still testing negative.

Perhaps we already had and and were asymptomatic or our vaccinations and boosters helped. Who knows.
 
Is it time to start moving back to normalcy?

Among the Covid experts I regularly talk with, Dr. Robert Wachter is one of the more cautious. He worries about “long Covid,” and he believes that many people should receive booster shots. He says that he may wear a mask in supermarkets and on airplanes for the rest of his life.​
Yet Wachter — the chair of the medicine department at the University of California, San Francisco — also worries about the downsides of organizing our lives around Covid. In recent weeks, he has begun to think about when most of life’s rhythms should start returning to normal. Increasingly, he believes the answer is: Now.​
This belief stems from the fact that the virus is unlikely to go away, ever. Like most viruses, it will probably keep circulating, with cases rising sometimes and falling other times. But we have the tools — vaccines, along with an emerging group of treatments — to turn it into a manageable virus, similar to the seasonal flu.​
Given this reality, Wachter, who’s 64, has decided to resume more of his old activities and accept the additional risk that comes with them, much as we accept the risk of crashes when riding in vehicles.​
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Locally in Ontario the Fall wave of infections is upon us. Big increase in numbers.

OM (N) ICRON, the new villain. Apparently it dominated delta in ? country in a matter of weeks. And delta is 99% dominant locally. Remember back when delta was a new, small side issue of Covid? The story unfolds... Feels like groundhog day ala the movie endless do over.
 
Bart_ said:
Locally in Ontario the Fall wave of infections is upon us. Big increase in numbers.

OM (N) ICRON, the new villain. Apparently it dominated delta in ? country in a matter of weeks. And delta is 99% dominant locally. Remember back when delta was a new, small side issue of Covid? The story unfolds... Feels like groundhog day ala the movie endless do over.
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I’ve been an extremely Covid averse person, especially in last 8 months since my wife is pregnant. Have my 3 shots. Wear my kn95 mask everywhere.

But a quick bit of research shows the omicron has caused precisely zero deaths worldwide thus far. Zooming out, this is what we want to see happen. The less lethal, more contagious strain overtakes the deadly one and that’s when life goes on. So while I know it’s too soon to celebrate, I’ve been feeling hopeful about where things are heading.
 
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I can now say definitively that my hospital (in Detroit proper) is filling back up with Covid. We were hit hard early, but have seen modest numbers since May 2020 while all the less urban hospitals have had big numbers. Now all the hospitals in Michigan are either at or near capacity. Delta is the main culprit on breakthrough cases for those without the booster. People are being willfully ignorant of statistics and reality because they're tired of not being able to do whatever they want. The prevailing attitude seems to be "If it doesn't hurt me I don't give a shit about the bigger picture." Am I personally afraid of getting sick with Covid? No. Do I still wear a mask when I go to the store? Yes. I am not doing it for myself. I'm doing it for other people, even if they don't think they need it because it's an easy thing to do and the science supports it.
 
The best friend of a close relative just died of COVID, and his wife and daughters all have it. They're all anti-vaxers. They bought into the BS media crap and are skeptical of science and government, don't understand probability and statistics, and still won't get vaccinated. My relative says "it doesn't matter because vaccinated people still get COVID. What she can't seem to get through her head is that vaccinated people DON'T DIE FROM COVID, and most vaccinated folks who do get COVID don't even need hospitalization. One of the hospitals near here just reported (yesterday) that 100 percent of their patients that are there due to COVID are unvaccinated. Another hospital reported that 88 percent of their COVID patients are unvaccinated. As a recently retired math and science teacher I find it very frustrating that so many people around here don't believe the science and don't understand the numbers. Ugh!
 
"But I'm not good at math. "

When you're not good at reading it's called illiteracy or functional illiteracy. Somehow that's very important, unlike math.
People feel embarrassed about being "bad" at academic disciplines, but others don't really matter, I guess. Unless you die as a result.
 
My recently ex groundie, informed me at the end of the day on Wednesday that he thought he was coming down with something. “I’ve been feeling off the past couple of days”. And “oh this is just the seasonal thing”

He is Vaxed twice and tested positive (when he got around to taking a home test kit. He then whined about a headache preventing him from taking a legit PCR or equivalent. He exposed me, and a friend helping us out. Not to mention my family.. I holed up in the back room for a few days waiting for my test results. I gave up on waiting on day 4, and went to the mainland for a test from a different provider, results 6 hours later and I tested negative.
I would wager a uneducated guess, but I’d think vaxxed to vaxxed transmission rates would be lower than unvaxxed to anyone else. Still didn’t want to expose the family.
 
southsoundtree said:
"But I'm not good at math. "

When you're not good at reading it's called illiteracy or functional illiteracy. Somehow that's very important, unlike math.
People feel embarrassed about being "bad" at academic disciplines, but others don't really matter, I guess. Unless you die as a result.
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I feel like the term "willful ignorance" applies to much of the baloney going on these days. But, the term falls apart a bit because ignorance implies you don't know, and so can't have willfulness...
 
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