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Anyone have advice on a canopy anchor that will let you retrieve after having taken several redirects?

It seems like a canobase set with an adjustable friction saver is hard to beat. Anyone have pictures of this?

Also, can someone explain a soft 8 to me? I don't quite understand what the advantages are.
 
I just use a ring-n-ring friction saver. Mine is 28” 10mm armorpruss with a sewn eye on each end with aluminum ring. I use it almost every climb and it works really well. The soft 8 is two rings but the corsage between them is short. Climb line goes up from climber through big ring, around stem, through small ring, then jammed. People like it because when you retrieve you don’t have to pull the ring through a union. It falls with tail of rope. Also you can actually choke it mid-stem which can be a nice option. It doesn’t have to sit in a union.

I don’t know canobase.
 
You don't have any pics of canoebase ? Seems like you use that?
I mostly use a alpine butterfly with a long enough tail to retrieve. Or I also have a Hank of 10mm rock climbing rope I use to clip to the tail and use that to retrieve if I need the extra rope.

The Texas tug retreives really well after a few redirects.

And I also use a soft 8 at times. I have the flint locker from wesspur. I like to use it on a spar. Or if I'm working my way up the tree cutting limbs on the way up. And I have to move my rope alot it's a quick process to unclip and move the rope and set it back up. Really like that about a soft 8.
You could also use just a ring and tie a figure 8 on your climber put the ring on go around the stem and pass threw the ring again and cinch it up. That works great aswell another technique I use at times but I haven't done redirects and try to retrieve with the flint locker I will have to do so. So I know for myself how well it will work.
 
I've been using the soft8/flintlocker here recently, it's very similar to retrieving a basal tie after redirects.

Using a knot block ring and ring is less friction for retrieval, but takes a little more setup (not much) and the sling has to be retrieved from around the limb instead of falling from under the limb like the flintlocker.
 
Christrees said:
You don't have any pics of canoebase ? Seems like you use that?
I mostly use a alpine butterfly with a long enough tail to retrieve. Or I also have a Hank of 10mm rock climbing rope I use to clip to the tail and use that to retrieve if I need the extra rope.

The Texas tug retreives really well after a few redirects.

And I also use a soft 8 at times. I have the flint locker from wesspur. I like to use it on a spar. Or if I'm working my way up the tree cutting limbs on the way up. And I have to move my rope alot it's a quick process to unclip and move the rope and set it back up. Really like that about a soft 8.
You could also use just a ring and tie a figure 8 on your climber put the ring on go around the stem and pass threw the ring again and cinch it up. That works great aswell another technique I use at times but I haven't done redirects and try to retrieve with the flint locker I will have to do so. So I know for myself how well it will work.
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I've never actually used a canobase, just thinking about it a lot after the last mature pin oak I pruned.

My canopy anchor has always been an alpine butterfly with a quickie or a screw link. Super simple and easy to set up, but even one redirect makes it a pain to retrieve.
 
Jehinten said:
I've been using the soft8/flintlocker here recently, it's very similar to retrieving a basal tie after redirects.

Using a knot block ring and ring is less friction for retrieval, but takes a little more setup (not much) and the sling has to be retrieved from around the limb instead of falling from under the limb like the flintlocker.
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That was a very helpful comparison. Thank you.
 
I don’t have a photo but the Texas Tug / tie off was an innovation to address the inability to retrieve a canopy anchor that takes a redirect or two or three. It’s very simple, just add a second alpine butterfly below the alpine butterfly that you attach the quickie too. Then add a pinto pulley with a carabiner onto the second alpine butterfly. There’s a few great quick instructional videos on the subject, I looked to see if I could magically find some tree buzz thread from 15 years ago where somebody came up with the concept but so far no luck :)
 
chiselbit said:
Pics please
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not sure which one you needed a pic of, but here's a few Google images.


Knot blocking a ring and ringScreenshot_20210801-074432_Google.jpgsoft8/ flint locker (this one is called the "buckslap" by buckingham) this can also be accomplished midline with an alpine spiked with a carabiner Screenshot_20210801-074458_Google.jpgTexas tug. The canopy cinching alpine should be a larger loop than the length of the knot and Pinto below it. Allowing it to fairlead without rope on rope friction Screenshot_20210801-074544_Google.jpgcanobase (a basal tie that is tied in the canopy) this particular drawing shows it with an alpine anchor, many use a ring and ring knot blocker here for easier retrieval


*Edit: this drawing is incorrect as they have redirected and climbed on the retrieval leg. Don't try that...
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Jehinten said:
not sure which one you needed a pic of, but here's a few Google images.


Knot blocking a ring and ringView attachment 77224soft8/ flint locker (this one is called the "buckslap" by buckingham) this can also be accomplished midline with an alpine spiked with a carabiner View attachment 77225Texas tug. The canopy cinching alpine should be a larger loop than the length of the knot and Pinto below it. Allowing it to fairlead without rope on rope friction View attachment 77226canobase (a basal tie that is tied in the canopy) this particular drawing shows it with an alpine anchor, many use a ring and ring knot blocker here for easier retrieval View attachment 77227
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What a delicious menu. Can I have one of everything?
 
southsoundtree said:
Is it my imagination? Does the last image look like it will pull out?
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Jehinten said:
Your right. I found the image online and didn't verify that it was 100% correct. In that image they are climbing on the retrieval side.
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That image was actually pulled from treebuzz and it being backwards was addressed in an earlier thread. Post in thread 'Employing lanyard SRT-style: descending?' https://www.treebuzz.com/forum/threads/employing-lanyard-srt-style-descending.40492/post-605230.
 
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This is what I work on most often, especially for long traverses. The friction saver needs to be set to where it will sinch around the stem (rings aren't touching). With this you can advance much higher just like a base anchor. You can get up to real skinny wood safely with the right rope angles and no matter how many redirects you have, it's easy to pull out.
 
dtreez said:
Anyone have advice on a canopy anchor that will let you retrieve after having taken several redirects?

It seems like a canobase set with an adjustable friction saver is hard to beat. Anyone have pictures of this?

Also, can someone explain a soft 8 to me? I don't quite understand what the advantages are.
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We have option coming soon called the "SuperSaver". designed to provide you with all the standard adjustable friction saver functions but also include a plethora of other revolutionary functions as well including the use of both an SRT (Single-Line/Non-Moving Rope Setup) and a DRT (Double Rope/Moving Rope System) on the same anchor at the same time! The SuperSaver™ takes all the current canopy anchor devices and products that are currently being used in the industry and combines them all into a stream-lined product.

To answer your questions yes we designed this to be retrievable after multiple redirects. 1628006559876.png
 
dtreez said:
Anyone have advice on a canopy anchor that will let you retrieve after having taken several redirects?
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Not an anchor but you can set a redirect retrieval line by attaching a rope with a pulley (just a carabiner works too) between your anchor and the first redirect. After your climb, retrieve your redirects by pulling that rope then retrieve your tie in point.
 
Jehinten said:
Not an anchor but you can set a redirect retrieval line by attaching a rope with a pulley (just a carabiner works too) between your anchor and the first redirect. After your climb, retrieve your redirects by pulling that rope then retrieve your tie in point.
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I do that a lot.
 
Buck said:
We have option coming soon called the "SuperSaver". designed to provide you with all the standard adjustable friction saver functions but also include a plethora of other revolutionary functions as well including the use of both an SRT (Single-Line/Non-Moving Rope Setup) and a DRT (Double Rope/Moving Rope System) on the same anchor at the same time! The SuperSaver™ takes all the current canopy anchor devices and products that are currently being used in the industry and combines them all into a stream-lined product.

To answer your questions yes we designed this to be retrievable after multiple redirects. View attachment 77292
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Yeah man can't wait till these come out...I've been very curious about this since the first time I seen it.

When will they be on the market?
 
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