Show off them splices
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Samsquanch
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RyTheTreeGuy
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Finished up my MACA (mid-line attachable canopy anchor) Thanks @MikePowers321 and @swingdude for the concept and providing a picture. The 16 strand was kind of a pain in the ass, but not terrible. Time consuming but no blisters or rope burn. Also had my first chance to use my Brion Toss Arbor wand...worked awesome for the first bury...not so awesome for the second. To tight through the cross over to fit the wand through. Wire fid worked well, just needed 2 passes. Cheers
RyTheTreeGuy
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Will post a pic once I can get it to uplaod...does anyone else have trouble?? Gets to approx 20% then has a line strike theough it and it stops uploading?
RyTheTreeGuy
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Finished up my MACA (mid-line attachable canopy anchor) Thanks @MikePowers321 and @swingdude for the concept and providing a picture. The 16 strand was kind of a pain in the ass, but not terrible. Time consuming but no blisters or rope burn. Also had my first chance to use my Brion Toss Arbor wand...worked awesome for the first bury...not so awesome for the second. To tight through the cross over to fit the wand through. Wire fid worked well, just needed 2 passes. Cheers
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RyTheTreeGuy
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RyTheTreeGuy
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Took a screen shot of pic, cropped it and it worked...also upload speed wss dramatically faster. Thanks
Cool, was wondering if it had something to do with some pics being Live Photo which is like a 3 second video without sound and probably much bigger file size. Editing seems to turn them to normal still photos.
Looks very nice! Does a retrieval ball or cone pass through the delta link with no problem every time? Looks really handy for retrievable redirect or secret weapon too.
Looks very nice! Does a retrieval ball or cone pass through the delta link with no problem every time? Looks really handy for retrievable redirect or secret weapon too.
RyTheTreeGuy
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The retrieval ball will definitely work, but I have found with my limited experimenting that a simple overhand knot will easily pass through the triangular delta and block on the oval
Joeybagodonuts
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Yeah.. nice.. i like that Ry.. is that the smallest size hardware u can use & still be above our 5k standard? I don't own any quick links & I've always pondered what the smallest i could go would actually be size wise.. I've always had quickies instead.
Also, regarding 16 strand. When i first learned how to splice, i thought the toss wand would be there solution to all my troubles.. I never ever up getting one & found that New Englands instructions, a cheap soft fid & a solid anchor was all i needed to bury 16 stand like it was lubed with astroglide.. I actually just did one last week & was almost concerned it buried too easy.. as if i took out too many cover stands out or something, but i didn't as i double checked that mid process. I actually find 16 strand physically easier than alot of double braids I've encountered.
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RyTheTreeGuy
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Hey Joey,
I believe they do make smaller malions...theae are 10 mm I believe and they come in 8 and 6 mm I believe. I already had a couple of ovals I purchased on sale at my local outdoor adventure store and grabbed the triangle at Ontario tree climbing championships a couple of weekends ago for the sole purpose of making this tool.
As far as the toss wand goes, it teally dod work fantastic for 1 eye. Once I had to complete the second bury it was no bueno...I would like to try a soft fid. They look pretty sweet, but my buddy was cleaning out his basement and came across a medium and arb toss wand from his past. I traded him a case of beer for both.
Happy Splicing
That's a hell of a trade! Why is it I don't run across deals like that?
Joeybagodonuts
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Hey Joey,
I believe they do make smaller malions...theae are 10 mm I believe and they come in 8 and 6 mm I believe. I already had a couple of ovals I purchased on sale at my local outdoor adventure store and grabbed the triangle at Ontario tree climbing championships a couple of weekends ago for the sole purpose of making this tool.
As far as the toss wand goes, it teally dod work fantastic for 1 eye. Once I had to complete the second bury it was no bueno...I would like to try a soft fid. They look pretty sweet, but my buddy was cleaning out his basement and came across a medium and arb toss wand from his past. I traded him a case of beer for both.
Happy Splicing
Oh ok, so those are the 10mm variants.. cool cool.. I've always been hesitant to purchase while not having a good picture for size reference..
Good deal on your wand..
You mention the second bury.. I'm trying to recall what that is... Was that part of Samsons instructions or something? Maybe part of the Wesspur tutorial? All i know is I'm only doing one bury.. i thread my soft fid through, from the throat all the way to the covers exit.
With the Samson/Wesspur i believe you thread from throat down to the core exit & pop it out there, taper it & then bury it again for another 11 inches or so.. Does that sound about right?
Lol.. you got me second guessing my methods here because i can only see one benefit to popping it out at the core exit, but at the same time, that benefit is nothing that can't be done at the cover exit.
By using a soft fid, your decreasing the size of the tail your trying to pass through.. With a wand, things are doubled over & larger in size, with a soft fid & a tapered + taped tail, that tail it's pointed like a pencil & easier to pass through bury.
Also, taking about a soft fid, were not talking big $$ or anything, you can add it to your kit for a couple bucks if you can source it by the foot. Look into 1/8”-1/2" expandable sleeving (for electrical/wiring).
Add an extra foot to tail to be buried and exit it just before the crossover. Reduce each of the strands of the extra foot by half, bury through crossover. Now you can grab the tail and pull it through instead of with the wand. This method is from Nick of Wis.
RyTheTreeGuy
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Because it is a friction saver and not a splice on the end of the rope you actually remove the core entirely. Then you taper and complete your eye on one end. You now have an eye with left over core exiting the cover. The length of the entire cross over is 11 inches. Then you complete a second eye with taper. Overlapping the existing bury for the total length of 11 inches. I followed along with Nick on the Tree U splicing series. There is defintely some finagling aling the way but nothing to crazy...
What I mean by the second bury is the bury of the tapered section of the second eye through the cross over section....I would also like to mention that I am a big fan of the core reduction theory or extended taper. It becomes much, much easier to complete the final bury on any splice you are doing.
Cheers to all of you that have made this fun and exciting and frustrating at times.
Happy Splicing
ARLO
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I used the Nice Guy Dave method for years, but have found that it is easier to just use a 32" wire fid to do the entire bury in one pull. It is much faster and easier than doing the pull in two stages. And it will save you spending a lot of bucks on a Toss Wand.
Joeybagodonuts
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Because it is a friction saver and not a splice on the end of the rope you actually remove the core entirely. Then you taper and complete your eye on one end. You now have an eye with left over core exiting the cover. The length of the entire cross over is 11 inches. Then you complete a second eye with taper. Overlapping the existing bury for the total length of 11 inches. I followed along with Nick on the Tree U splicing series. There is defintely some finagling aling the way but nothing to crazy...
What I mean by the second bury is the bury of the tapered section of the second eye through the cross over section....I would also like to mention that I am a big fan of the core reduction theory or extended taper. It becomes much, much easier to complete the final bury on any splice you are doing.
Cheers to all of you that have made this fun and exciting and frustrating at times.
Happy Splicing
Ahhhhhhhh.. my bad my friend.. i wasn't aware we were specifically talking about your eye to eye.. yes yes.. compete core removal..
If you watch the wesspur 16 strand tutorial, my comments talking about the second bury should make sense..
@Brocky
I think I vaugley recall that trick.. something about giving you more to grab onto or tie off to an anchor?? As well as reducing bulk in order to pass it though
I agree... That's how i go about it.. super long fid coupled with a soft fid.. cover literally flies through like it's greased.. especially with the waxy NER braided safety blue.
You know.. it just occured to me that, in that video, maybe he has to use the second stage of pulling because the toss wand isn't long enough for one complete pass..
I deff think the toss wand would be a cool tool to have on a dedicated bench, but i don't think it's a required tool, more of a luxury.. i would however, like to see more videos of it in use, maybe that would sway my thoughts on the luxury aspect.
ARLO
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I think he did it that way because it will trash the loop on the Toss Wand if you try to pull the cover through the section where the core and cover overlap. It is too tight to fit the wand, plus the core and cover through that section at the same time, and it will fray and break the loop on the wand if you start reefing on it.
I like the idea of using a soft fid attached to the wire fid because I can see how it would make the bury smoother than using the wire fid alone. I will have to give that a try. Where did you get your soft fid?
Joeybagodonuts
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Yes.. you have a very good point about the toss wand.. i didn't even think of that.. I also never used one.. i don't get the impression your supposed to go very hard yanking & wanking with them..lol.
Soft Fid -
I typically just use the wire to penetrate cover & feed the soft fid through.. Then I feed the soft fid into the wire fid just like you would a core or cover bury, it's nothing size wise so it glides right through the bury. (It's literally a 10 second process.) The actual stuff i use isn't even arb or rope splicing related.. it's expandable sleeving for electrical wire.. Advantages of this compared to a legit brand name soft fid are, it's plastic so it slides through buries pretty good, it can expand way larger than what you usually need, it will also finger trap/shrink down pretty damn small as well, it's pretty damn strong, i have yet to snap my original 3ft peice anchored off while yanking like a brute... & lastly, it's dirt frigging cheap as oppose to some over priced soft fid from d-splicer.. Usefull sizes are 1/8", 1/4", 1/2" & then possibly next size up for 3/4 - 7/8ths rig rope splicing. I think i use 1/4" the most for 8mm-13mm cordage. I do all my automotive wiring with this stuff to keep a clean/oem appearance, so i just happen to have a bunch of it to fit write sizes 18ga to oversized 000ga. I think Pepboys has it in their laughable "go-fast" section, but it's way overpriced. It's Amazon for the win on this one.. only 5-10 bucks.
Definitely, try it.. it's one of those things where you'll say "wtf, why didn't i think of that!!!"
