Show off them splices

[Jimmycrackcorn]

Ok cool.. I'm rather glad to hear that Casanova cuz I'm back at it again.. I got some little 3/8 tenex tech & want to make some stuff out of it. I have 20ft & was wondering if anyone knew how i could stretch it the furthest..

I want to make either a loopie or whoopie with Steel Rings or Pinto Rig.

However at the same time i want to make a Secret weapon with the aluminum rings i have or a Pinto Rig Loop/E2E. I got porked on my last Cordage order & my beeline is on back order so I'm trying to stretch the Tenex-Tec into a few different things here.. i just don't know what will take more rope, a whoopie or a loopie & im getting lost in the measurements of them all.. (actually don't have any for the loopie)..

Here's what i have to work with plus another red & blue ring it's just inside right now.

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[ARLO]

Ok.. all done.. i knew a few of you might like the cute coral colored whipping so i threw it on there for ya..[emoji6]



Now.. all i have to do is destroy my project & make a legitimate one with correct buries..lol.

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OK, I am confused. Is this is supposed to be a friction saver or a rigging sling? And why did you insert the Xring in a big eye instead of securing it with a tight eye? If you had spliced the Xring inside a tight eye you would have gained another 4-5" of bury and the Xring would be held in place by the rope instead whipping. It looks to me like the whipping is going to be subjected to a lot of stress when the system is loaded, and I suspect it will not hold up for long. So, is that what you are going to fix when you destroy it and do another one with correct buries?

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

Hahahaha.. what are you referring to. the little shorty? You must have hit fast foward.. through a few posts.. It was a scrap peice i was trying to see how short i could go with a 16 strand bury.. it already had a proper full bury on the big eye side.

You never seen a rig ring in a large eye? I got the idea from somewhere around here.. i see ppl run then in eyes.. knot them in eyes..etc.. That particular side was already buried to spec too.. it was the other side that got me thinking about shorter buries.

Either way, i have/had no intention of ever using it.. hence the disclaimer i put with the pictures.. I plan on destroying it & seeing what a short 9in bury on one side will get me.

I was making a friction saver, but was waiting on Beeline or this Tenex to finish.. The Bee-Line ended up being on back order, so today i figured id make some other shit with the Tenex and possibly have enough to make 2 things, a prusik for the friction saver & a loopie/whoopie or whatever came to mind with the hardware i laid out.. Ended up making a "Ploopie" About to snip the final cut just not sure what length to go with..

So. Yes.. Arlo.. If your just skimming along i can see where you could have some confusion.. that's why i added pictures..lol. pictures make reading comprehension so much easier...lol..[emoji6]

In the end.. I want..
A short R&R saver
A U-Saver, Pully saver or adjustable Xr & Xr

A Loopie
A Whoopie
Rig-Saver
Double Headed Tenex Xr or this crazy thing i saw with three Xr's..i think someone was calling it the "Mega" something....

Since i decided to learn splicing with Tachyon like an idiot, all this stuff seems too easy not to make.. kinda fun too.

 

[Santiago Casanova]

I highly recommend 10mm ocean poly for your secret weapon. I made one with 2 ISC rings and I really like how it turned out. It is also pretty cheap. Order 20' and you wont be disappointed.

 

[Santiago Casanova]

 

[ARLO]

Hahahaha.. what are you referring to. the little shorty? You must have hit fast foward.. through a few posts.. It was a scrap peice i was trying to see how short i could go with a 16 strand bury.. it already had a proper full bury on the big eye side.

You never seen a rig ring in a large eye? I got the idea from somewhere around here.. i see ppl run then in eyes.. knot them in eyes..etc.. That particular side was already buried to spec too.. it was the other side that got me thinking about shorter buries.

Either way, i have/had no intention of ever using it.. hence the disclaimer i put with the pictures.. I plan on destroying it & seeing what a short 9in bury on one side will get me.

I was making a friction saver, but was waiting on Beeline or this Tenex to finish.. The Bee-Line ended up being on back order, so today i figured id make some other shit with the Tenex and possibly have enough to make 2 things, a prusik for the friction saver & a loopie/whoopie or whatever came to mind with the hardware i laid out.. Ended up making a "Ploopie" About to snip the final cut just not sure what length to go with..

So. Yes.. Arlo.. If your just skimming along i can see where you could have some confusion.. that's why i added pictures..lol. pictures make reading comprehension so much easier...lol..[emoji6]

In the end.. I want..
A short R&R saver
A U-Saver, Pully saver or adjustable Xr & Xr

A Loopie
A Whoopie
Rig-Saver
Double Headed Tenex Xr or this crazy thing i saw with three Xr's..i think someone was calling it the "Mega" something....

Since i decided to learn splicing with Tachyon like an idiot, all this stuff seems too easy not to make.. kinda fun too.

 

[ARLO]

Your are right, I did not read all the prehistory. I just looked at it and said "What the heck is that thing and why did he use all that expensive gear instead of just using a large and small ring?" So now I will quit bugging you until I see the finished product.

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

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Uggh dangit! I just ordered some more stuff, but didn't get that.. it was in the cart but i pulled it at the last second.. You know.. you think your getting a deal buying per foot but the damn stuff adds up fast.. like.. i called up to replace the beeline with something in stock & next thing you know I'm buying off the cuff cuz they said i could add without additional shipping charges.. I've gotten so spoiled with Amazon free shipping that i actually avoid buying stuff from places that don't offer it on everything. You see a great deal on something, try to buy it & next thing you know it's $10 in shipping & the deal actually sucks. As a business, nothing lightweight should cost $10 to ship, especially with usps flat rate being around..

Anyhow, i also have a feeling I'm ordering these lengths too short if your suggesting 20ft.. I spoke with treestuff & asked about the buries, etc & what I'm trying to do with each peice of Cordage. We came up with 10ft airing on the side of caution..

What i decided to get was..
Ice Tail 10ft ( actually bought it to add to a light rig sling, just wish it was bigger)

8mm Veritas 10ft (yeah got caught up there in the "just cuz it looks cool factor")

Sirius bull 12ft (i was hesitant to go that short but they said i could do 2 decent eyes & Still have 6-8ft of usable length).. Also.. paid $1.49 pr ft.. figures i just found it for .99 cents & the 20mm for 1.49 instead of $2.05..

Was going to try some all gear bull rope & multi pro12.. i added 20ft or so to cart & they wanted something like $18.99 to ship it.. fuck that. That's reduculous.


Oh.. before i forget.. i saw a adjustable saver made with dynasorb.. the guy pulled the core out of the prusik to brummel a xring in.. i was not aware that was acceptable? Guy who owned it didn't splice it but said he loved it & it held up well. What's the word on pulling the core with that stuff & doing brummels etc..

 

[Santiago Casanova]

Did Jimmy crack his corn? I haven't seen any updates on his learning the ropes.

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

Jimmy is not available right now.. he went a little crazy & crack spliced himself to the chair...lol..

Just the guy i was looking to talk to..
I got 4 questions..

1. I got some Veritas & was wondering if there was any special instructions for making a e2e?

2. When splicing an e2e with IceTail can i just pull the core?

3. I recently saw a double braid without the core spliced into a xring & used as a prusik, is that legit?

4. I'm buying a Triple Thimble or Safebloc, which idk, however i want to use a double braid, but I've only seen them done with 12 strand. Is there any reason not to use doubled braid? I feel i can splice the thimble in tighter.

 

[Brocky]

2. Yes, just to keep it round. The instructions used to result in a bulge in the middle of the hitch cord, check closely.
3. It's possible, but figure in the reduction of strength with the core gone.

 

[Santiago Casanova]

Jimmy is not available right now.. he went a little crazy & crack spliced himself to the chair...lol..

Just the guy i was looking to talk to..
I got 4 questions..

1. I got some Veritas & was wondering if there was any special instructions for making a e2e?

2. When splicing an e2e with IceTail can i just pull the core?

3. I recently saw a double braid without the core spliced into a xring & used as a prusik, is that legit?

4. I'm buying a Triple Thimble or Safebloc, which idk, however i want to use a double braid, but I've only seen them done with 12 strand. Is there any reason not to use doubled braid? I feel i can splice the thimble in tighter.

As a building inspector I will tell you to follow manufacturers instructions. As an innovator I try what I feel is safe and test it low and slow.

1. Follow manufacturers instructions.
2. Follow manufacturers instructions.
3. I would not use a double braid like that. It might work. I would recommend a hollow braid like tenex or tenex tec.
4. No reason I can think of not to use a db. Between the two products mentioned I would go for the triangular one. I have not used them but that is the one I have my eye on. The geometry looks like it would allow for more options.

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

2. Yes, just to keep it round. The instructions used to result in a bulge in the middle of the hitch cord, check closely.
3. It's possible, but figure in the reduction of strength with the core gone.

Any idea how much loss that would be & it would it even matter when using something like a 5/8ths stable braid or 9/16 in a basket configuration?

Also, is Trex ok to use as a prusik? I never see it used as one, but you do see tenex tec etc..

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

As a building inspector I will tell you to follow manufacturers instructions. As an innovator I try what I feel is safe and test it low and slow.

1. Follow manufacturers instructions.
2. Follow manufacturers instructions.
3. I would not use a double braid like that. It might work. I would recommend a hollow braid like tenex or tenex tec.
4. No reason I can think of not to use a db. Between the two products mentioned I would go for the triangular one. I have not used them but that is the one I have my eye on. The geometry looks like it would allow for more options.

Ahhhhh.. ok.. that's answers my reply to Brocky..

Yale Veritas - so just normal double braid instructions? I'm not seeing any Veritas Specific. However i know it's made with recycled stuff so i didn't know if it called for change.

Icetail - instructions for it are lumped in with other models or were written before the core was added.. as i haven't heard the extra core mentioned..

I typically always read the instructions on a peice of Cordage before purchasing it to know whether its going to be a pain... But these two have illuded me & I've only heard instruction from the sales rep over the phone. "Just pull core & do like tenex" & "splice it like any other double braid"

So.. your the third person who's suggested the Triple Thimble. I'm gunna get something today i think..

 

[Santiago Casanova]

If you are having trouble finding directions you can do it another way. First find out what the rope is made of. Poly/poly or poly/other stuff. If it is a traditional double braid made of poly/poly then you can use a generic class 1 double braid splice. If it has other stuff like technora, look at a class 2 splice. Be careful testing, maybe sacrifice some splices on Richards break test alter.

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

If you are having trouble finding directions you can do it another way. First find out what the rope is made of. Poly/poly or poly/other stuff. If it is a traditional double braid made of poly/poly then you can use a generic class 1 double braid splice. If it has other stuff like technora, look at a class 2 splice. Be careful testing, maybe sacrifice some splices on Richards break test alter.

Soo yeah.. I've thought about that & i keep getting hung up on not having enough Cordage to spare for breaking..
The whole purpose of buying these things is to not pay the premiums these Arb vendors charge. So in the end Id be purchasing twice the cordage (which depending on cordage is used in a splice could cost more than the original premade e2e or eye or loop), add postage, then whatever he compensation he wants for breaking, it. I'm pretty sure once you add all that up your well over what it would cost just to buy the item.. However... when we buy them complete we aint worried about testing them..

I know that sounds silly considering what's on the line, but why aren't we worried about the techniques or prosseces we blindly trust a complete stranger with. We have no idea what's going on behind the scenes at a business.. & more times than not, its a thousand things going on... You ever hear that expression when you get peice of mechanical machinery (car, bike, snomobile, etc) that you just can't kill.. "this thing must have been built on a Wednesday"? Or the opposite when u get a lemon, "this must have been built on a Monday".. I'm pretty sure the same principles apply in all corners of trades, including rope engineering.. who knows.. that splicer could have just had a mental breakdown, had his wife leave him, could be a drug addict, he/she could have been distracted by any number of things when building a peice. We would never know.. however we go right to work with that peice trusting it..
I'm not saying break testing stuff has no value, but i am saying, if you followed general guidelines, why not trust your work. Now im sorta talking out both sides of my mouth with this as i have yet to have the balls to hang from anything I've built.. Lanyards yes.. but nothing suspended yet. So break testing for me, would be more of a reassurance, however if i followed direction, it shouldn't be any different than hanging from a stranger's work.

Out of all the ones I've done, the only one I'm really iffy about is the first Tachyon, however it's soo freaking buried & hard i can't see how it would ever come undone.. it's just the fact that i buried it with a hydraulic ram that concerns me..idk why, it just does. Then on the flip side to that, everything I've made for rigging, i trust to it's SWL..

So far I've done about 8 -16 strand splices, about 6 or 7 double braid & 6 hollow braids.

Also, i swear i saw an adjustable double braid sling the other day but can't find instruction on it.. any ever seen that? That & double adjustable transformer sling i saw looked interesting & very simple..

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

Ok.. so.. i just did this Ice tail Ring prusik..

What follows is a little story of WHAT NOT TO DO.

It called for the tails to be long buried & a 8-9in x-over

I had a hard time trying to follow the set directions & things got rather conveluted as i was distracted trying to figure a method to get a ring into the scenario while using the splice they suggest (isnt possible, is the conclusion i came to).

I ended up locked brummel on one side & a lock stitch splice on the other.

Problem- i got ahead of myself & didn't taper anything before burying.. i really don't know how i screwed the pooch on that but i did.. Directions tell you where & when to taper, but don't explain where to begin your original marks. It's rather assumed you know where to put them..( later on i called a splice house & they agreed with me that they are rather vaugue, like an after thought). Somehow i finally got them all buried & crossed after much struggle. I then realized how much i had shrunk the overall length by doing this, i went from a purposely short 14in to an almost unusable 12 configuration, any shorter & i wouldn't have been able to make it wrap..

& how freaking solid it was.

I was also left with tails that once we're the perfect length, but now we're 5-8in to long to bury.

To remedy that, i pulled the tails out as hard as i could & then tapered & shortened back as far as i could.. little by little, more & more trying to regain some length & makeup for forgetting to do it the step before..

I should have just pulled it apart & went back a step but after the struggle i just had burying i couldn't bring myself to do it.. however by not pulling it apart & only trimming after the exit, I didn't gain much back & only mucked up the integrity of x over by randomly doing so.

FFW to now, i wasn't happy with it so i pulled everything apart & tapered per direction.. HOWEVER.. I THINK IT WAS TO LITTLE TOO LATE AS I NO LONGER HAVE A X-OVER

In the end, this leaves me with one question.. is there anything i can do to remedy this? Maybe excessive lock stitching can make it useable? Maybe Whiplock & Lock stich together?

I think I really screwed the pooch on this one. Don't have enough to do over either.. have plenty of other material.. just not Icetail.

Also.. a word to the wise on maintaining your length.. I did not know this before.. but if you pull everything taught in your preliminary measuring, you will not leave enough cordage for expansion & end up shorter than originally planned.

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[Santiago Casanova]

I can't help you with ice tail. I did make the same thing with 8mm OP and it worked great. It was not easy but it is doable.

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

I can't help you with ice tail. I did make the same thing with 8mm OP and it worked great. It was not easy but it is doable.

You did the same? What u mean.. you buried the tails all the way around with OP?

I actually have some op I'm going to replace that IceTail with.. i wasn't sure on the e2e OP directions & how far to bury so i called a splice house again & they told me they are burying for a half fid from throat. So I'm not sure you have to go through all that trouble of going all the way around.. That is unless you have an argument against it or think we should be doing so.

What u think?

 

[Santiago Casanova]

I made a ring loop and a secret weapon with 8 and 10mm op and it worked out well. I did not cross the tails in the bury.