Bowline variation tied with a bight

[Phil]

I often use a bowline variation (not a bowline on a bight) to make a midline attachment point to a tag line which I will hook a machine or winch line to for pulling. The pics show what I use. The working end of the rope is the leg at the top of the pics and would be attached to the top of the tree. The leg to the bottom left will just hang there and is excess rope. The winch line would be hooked to both loops formed in this bowline being careful not to hook the bight used to form the knot.

I find this method is way easier to untie than a bowline on a bight when heavily loaded...which is why I use it. The reason I am posting here is to ask if anyone else uses this and what the official name of this is.

I recently had a coworker call me up and ask what knot I tied for this application and I told him a double bowline...which when googled I discovered is different bowline variation. So I started hunting for the name, description and any tutorials on the variation that I tie and have found nothing that describes or depicts a bowline tied in the manner I use.

Hence the questions: What is this called? and Does anybody else use this?

 

[Brocky]

If you equalize the tail loop with the other two loops you get this

 

[Phil]

Outstanding. That's it. I never considered equalizing and loading all three loops.

 

[Brocky]

The standard bowline has the reputation of being able to be shaken apart easily, this type of bowline would seem to eliminate that by trapping the tail.

 

[KevinS]

How is that not a bowline on a bight? I usually leave the third loop a different size so the groundie can see and easily untie it at a glance.
Also, in a bowline you never load the tail and that's what the third loop is. If you load it you tighten it more than needed then it is harder to untie of course. That's how I've been taught and teach when you need to put a big load on a knot and you want it to be easy to untie

 

[Brocky]

 

[flyingsquirrel25]

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This is my go to for attaching a rope puller or any sort of equipment that does not have a bollard. It's also great fun watching an inexperienced person try to untie it. When they get just frustrated enough walk over bing bang boom it's out.
I've always called the other a double bowline cause I never took the time to equalize the third loop.

 

[Tuebor]

That's a triple bowline.

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[evo]

I've always been under the impression one is a bowline ON A bite, and the other is a bowline WITH A bite. However like flyingsquirrel stated, I always called one a double bowline, and the other a bowline on a bite

 

[Brocky]

Here is the double bowline

 

[TJG]

Looks like a bowline on a bite to me. They have come up with so many knot variations that I don't think they can name them all. If it works use it. I tie that as a mid line and have always called it that.
Ted

 

[evo]

Here is the double bowline

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Yeah, I know that one and a variation of that using a clove vs two loops. I never use that knot so I just call a bowline with a bight a "double bowline". I know I'm calling it the wrong name, but if I call out to have that knot tied it generally comes out as a bowline on a bight

 

[Daniel]

I learned that knot around 1983-4... was called a double bowline then.... I do like calling it the triple bowline better though... to create distinction from what I now call a double bowline which is just taking an extra loop to make the "hole"

It used to be my favorite knot... use it all the time.. used it today to tie a pull line to a ball hitch..... Pull with a truck.... it will never lock up... Only problem is when one of the loops slips off the ball (or hook etc)... that will happen on a ball hitch, so I just whip it tight with the tail of the line ... works well... should have taken a picture

 

[Brocky]

I think this is the hitch evo is describing

 

[evo]

I think this is the hitch evo is describing
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And don't forget the left handed bowline that is great for a closed blakes or taught line

 

[Brocky]

Way back when I started we only used half hitches to tie the rope on the D rings. I've tied to remember and I think I only used one instead of the now recommended two.

 

[jefftheswede]

Interesting,
my first saddle was a bowline on a bight, had three loops, I was poor and sore.
Anyway, it seems like this is a definition question.
For me, a 'bowline on a bight' is a double bowline using the tail as the 3rd loop,
but a 'double bowline' is tying a bowline doubled,
I think some may think that the bowline on a bight means bringing the loop under and cinched over the knot.
Jeff

 

[jefftheswede]

And don't forget the left handed bowline that is great for a closed blakes or taught line

Good one, but it does matter if a person is left handed,,
Jeff

 

[SomethingWitty]

Here is the double bowline

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When I was too stubborn to learn the Yosemite tie off this was my go-to life support bowline.

Interesting,
my first saddle was a bowline on a bight, had three loops, I was poor and sore.
Anyway, it seems like this is a definition question.
For me, a 'bowline on a bight' is a double bowline using the tail as the 3rd loop,
but a 'double bowline' is tying a bowline doubled,
I think some may think that the bowline on a bight means bringing the loop under and cinched over the knot.
Jeff

The triple was the first rope saddle that I learned (only a few jobs before I bought my own saddle). Get it all adjusted and tie the tautline with the tail and you're all set to go up. Still something I tie occasionally just because it only takes a rope and I want to stay sharp. I never climb in it anymore. Hell with that.

 

[Brocky]

I occasionally practice the bowline on a bight to be able, in the remote chance that I come upon a disabled climber with only his rope to ascend, and with no other equipment, to perhaps help.