HAAS knee ascender patent

[Pelorus]

Jackie: Miss Wilkie, your tobacco company has turned this beautiful specimen, into a horrible twisted freak.

Kramer: Who could love me?

Wilkie: I disagree. In fact, I feel Mr. Kramer projects a rugged masculinity.

Jackie: Rugged? The man's a goblin. He's only been exposed to smoke for four days. By the time this case gets to trial, he'll be nothing more than a shrunken head.

 

[JeffGu]

Omaha is in Nebraska, and JeffGu is from Nebraska.
You just can't make this stuff up. Coincidence? I think not.

I have been accused of being full of hot air, and of having made frequent trips to Oz, but never have I been accused of being from Omaha! If I owned both HELL and OMAHA you may rest assured that I would live in Hell and rent out Omaha. Even ducks fly upsidedown over Omaha... nothing there worth shitting on.

 

[Pelorus]

Sorry, Jeff. It was all about Mac's Correlation Theory.
You and the Wizard sharing the same general geography. Along with those winged monkeys.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

For a good history lesson, get out your copy of 'On Rope'. Everyone does own it, right? Oh, you don't? Hmmm...why not?

Look in there and see the illustrations of various ascent systems. By the time that Smith and Padgett wrote the first edition of OR the systems had been pretty well refined by cavers in the mid 60s. All that's happened since then is that the gear has gotten much more functional and factory produced.

More arbo history to know...the patent story of the ring on ring false crotch. Patents are powerful and need to be defended. That can be good and bad.

 

[moss]

@moss - Check the sherrilltree and treestuff merger thread. Nick states that there is a patent dispute. The HAAS is patented, and that may bear on whether the SAKA is saleable. TS has stopped carrying the SAKA to avoid litigation.

Oh ok, thx for the info. That's too bad.
-AJ

 

[WaitakKauri]

I don't know the law on this and I get my tech news on an international feed, but when Apple wants Samsung to stop selling a product, they don't threaten Bestbuy, they go to court to stop sale.

How is that different here? Wouldn't Haas try to stop SAKA directly (via court) and Treestuff want to keep customers happy and kept selling both?

Then if a stop sale occurrs, Hass goes after SAKA for lost sales & not go after Treestuff.

From the news, it appears to work this way, not the way Hass is threatening Treestuff. Gives me the impression Hass didn't patent well enough or didn't envision competition and is pissed off. However, that's no one else's fault if his patient hasn't been infringed. Seems a cheap letter (compared to court costs) to Treestuff has rooted SAKA for the time being.

 

[WaitakKauri]

Has Hass posted any press release about challenging an alleged patient infringement? If not, seems that would be good comms to customers or future customers.

 

[Brocky]

Is anybody selling the saka now?

 

[WaitakKauri]

Is anybody selling the saka now?

Yes, WesSpur is.

 

[macswan]

Sorry, Jeff. It was all about Mac's Correlation Theory.
You and the Wizard sharing the same general geography. Along with those winged monkeys.

What are you talking about, not just this post, but the last couple.

Do you really expect people to get on the internet more if people are talking about them on the internet?

 

[monkeylove]

Patent infringement, no patent infringement, thats for the courts. What is really F-ed up is that you can actually patent the concept of putting a bungee through a tube. Thats not a dig against anyone in particular, just mankind in general. Like most laws out there, somewhere along the way it ran off course from its original intentions.

 

[treegongfu]

Yes, I believe the foundational principal is to spur innovation.

 

[moss]

Companies like Apple with huge law departments go to court more readily, massive amounts of money at stake. Regular people who have to pay for a lawyer's time ask retailers to stop carrying an item that conflicts with their patent. To state the obvious, litigation is expensive. No one really knows if there is an actual patent violation until it goes to court and a judge rules on it. That's why many patent applicants or holders go for the broadest possible patent, even if they've overreached, it will require litigation to resolve. It's not about fairness in all cases, it's often about who can afford to or wants to litigate.
-AJ

 

[JeffOpar]

Tete has balls, that's for sure. Look at us talking about different pieces of cutting edge gear. That fool rocked a 120 ft tree with a freaken vine!

Much respect Tete! You deserve a big handful of honey. Pooh would be proud.

 

[treegongfu]

Lol

 

[Stihlmadd]

and of having made frequent trips to Oz

 

[WaitakKauri]

Makes sense moss. I guess in this smaller market space, the engagement methods are different.

I hope this gets sorted soon for customer choice.

If Richard gets his patent (pretty sure people, not companies get patents), hopefully that will clear the road.

cheers

 

[WaitakKauri]

[snip]
More arbo history to know...the patent story of the ring on ring false crotch. Patents are powerful and need to be defended. That can be good and bad.

Interesting, I didn't, and don't, know about this. Who had the patent? Did a company infringe?

 

[Merle Nelson]

Patent infringement, no patent infringement, thats for the courts. What is really F-ed up is that you can actually patent the concept of putting a bungee through a tube. Thats not a dig against anyone in particular, just mankind in general. Like most laws out there, somewhere along the way it ran off course from its original intentions.

I've heard of phrases that we all use being patented just because they were popularized in a marketing campaign and no one had previously patented them. That's messed up.

 

[jmaher]

Is that actually true? Like the "you're fired" Trump thing?