WTH? SHERRILLtree Poison Ivy made by Samson now?

I just got a hank of Voyager, a rope I've been wanting to try. It's a VERY nice rope. Much closer to a 1/2" rope in size, while still being small enough to run great in devices, than the other ones on the market that I own (and that claim to be >11.5 and <12mm). Both under tension and not under tension, it looks and feels bigger. I really like it.
 
I looked at Voyager but what I read on it is that it has a loose cover and not a firm rope.
Curious to see how it works out for you.
What are you going to run it through?
 
Right now I have three setups hanging in the basement that I'm going to do some rope diameter measurements on (in just a few minutes) both loaded with my weight, and under slight tension. I want to see what all three measure out at with the micrometer.

All three are in DdRT with a V3 ZigZag. The ropes are Drenaline 11.8 kernmantle, Aztec 11.7 doublebraid, and Voyager 11.8 doublebraid.

Tomorrow, I'll repeat with ZZ/Chicane combo, Akimbo, RopeWrench.

SO FAR: Look/feel tell me the Voyager is bigger. Observing the rope where the ZZ flattens it the most, I can tell you that the Yale flattens the most, followed by the Drenaline, and the Voyager flattens the least. Jacket of the Voyager is no looser than the Yale, and in fact the ropes feel almost the same... really good hand, soft, quite firm and close to each other in size. The Drenaline, of course, has a much tighter jacket and firms up harder under tension. You'd expect that from a kernmantle. My prediction is that only the Voyager will be very close to 11.8mm under any tension.

I'll take some pics and post my results. Won't be able to get these in a tree until tomorrow at the earliest. We have an arctic front moving in overnight. Could be pretty horrible by morning.
 
JeffGu said:
Right now I have three setups hanging in the basement that I'm going to do some rope diameter measurements on (in just a few minutes) both loaded with my weight, and under slight tension. I want to see what all three measure out at with the micrometer.

All three are in DdRT with a V3 ZigZag. The ropes are Drenaline 11.8 kernmantle, Aztec 11.7 doublebraid, and Voyager 11.8 doublebraid.

Tomorrow, I'll repeat with ZZ/Chicane combo, Akimbo, RopeWrench.

SO FAR: Look/feel tell me the Voyager is bigger. Observing the rope where the ZZ flattens it the most, I can tell you that the Yale flattens the most, followed by the Drenaline, and the Voyager flattens the least. Jacket of the Voyager is no looser than the Yale, and in fact the ropes feel almost the same... really good hand, soft, quite firm and close to each other in size. The Drenaline, of course, has a much tighter jacket and firms up harder under tension. You'd expect that from a kernmantle. My prediction is that only the Voyager will be very close to 11.8mm under any tension.

I'll take some pics and post my results. Won't be able to get these in a tree until tomorrow at the earliest. We have an arctic front moving in overnight. Could be pretty horrible by morning.
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Nice!
 
Ok... sorry for the blurry pic... this cheapass camera only takes acceptable pics in sunlight with the flash off. Basement is too dark even with lights to get decent pics. The results were along the lines of what I expected, but also very different.

Left measurement (in millimeters) is rope measured just above the ZigZag with about 20 lbs. of tension. Right measurement is with about 50 lbs. of tension. Not enough height down there to hang in the saddle, so I might repeat this all with more ropes and more devices in the coming days. Peak of garage roof is about 22' up, so will get a hook or screweye put up in there.

Aztec 11.7mm -- 11.77 / 11.16
Voyager 11.8mm -- 12.26 / 11.94
DrenaLine 11.8mm -- 11.82 / 11.56

Well... the Voyager really is bigger, as I thought. The other two are really right on the money for the advertised diameter at 20 lbs. tension.

The Voyager and Aztec also were about tied for flattening out at 50 lbs. and the Drenaline walked away with firmness at that weight. Barely flattened at all. Tightest cover by far. The other two were very similar... I think I'm going to give the Aztec the edge, there. The Voyager is a little baggier, I think. It's also bigger and has a nylon core. We'll have to see what happens when I load them up with 200 lbs. of pure, lean muscled climber. Assuming I can find someone that fits that description.

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NOTE: All of these ropes have between 6 and 20 climbs on them. Thought I'd do this before they get any more use, then repeat it next year at the end of summer to see how much they change. I'm rather anxious to throw them up in a tree in the backyard. I have a twin-trunk Siberian Elm at the back of the lot that are leaning so much they'd be perfect for a tire swing, if they don't just fall over before I try this.
 
JeffGu said:
We'll have to see what happens when I load them up with 200 lbs. of pure, lean muscled climber. Assuming I can find someone that fits that description.
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Might need to place an ad. :D
Good thing that pic is blurry, that's more bling than the human eye can handle.

That's what I remember reading about Voyager, "baggy" rope.
Maybe you could milk the crap out of it like rico did with Marlow Vega.

Looking at your numbers, which are at a much lower load than a climber in full gear would be, it makes me think of my experience with the Akimbo.
You think you dialed it in but once you're on your rope and working it for an extended period of time that rope just decreases enough in diameter to throw the performance out of whack.
It made it difficult for me to find the right settings that would last on a long day of climbing and made it a little hairy on limb walks.
Maybe with the fixed pin setting there's not enough range for variation in rope diameter like you have using the RopeRunner.
I've used 12.7mm Vortex and 11.7 Yale on it and haven't adjusted the settings from wide open stock to work with either rope.

This test you are doing is perfect way to demonstrate this.
Look forward to the numbers you get once you really get some weight on them.
 
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So does anyone know if Yale is still making their other 11.7’s. Is just the PI trademarked name now being manufactured by Samson or the whole damn line?
 
Their site still has Blue Moon. It’s gotta be one of their “bread and butter” products now, I think it’ll be a long time before we see that one no longer made.
Still haven’t gotten myself a Yale 11.7mm yet, was thinking about the Aztec that’s on sale at Sherrill, just don’t really need another rope yet lol.
 
From what I understand, Sherrill has moved to Samson for their ivy brand to help ensure that it’s available when we need it. Yale still makes their various 11.7s, and they’re fantastic. I am curious to see how the Samson versions perform. Their colors are great.
 
Yale will always make their XTC 24 line, the most common color scheme being Blue Moon. They make Focus for Wesspur, the colors were chosen by a Facebook group. Poison Ivy and the Ivy group were color selections licensed by Sherrill. Aztec, Prism, Arrow Frog, etc were color schemes licensed by Treestuff.com. Once another retailer makes a deal with Yale, there will be other colors as well.

We are a tiny market in the cordage world, Yale saw no loss from cutting ties with Sherrill.

Adam is currently working on a 32 strand cover climbing rope and a 32 strand hitch cord to go with it.
 
Worthaug said:
Yale will always make their XTC 24 line, the most common color scheme being Blue Moon. They make Focus for Wesspur, the colors were chosen by a Facebook group. Poison Ivy and the Ivy group were color selections licensed by Sherrill. Aztec, Prism, Arrow Frog, etc were color schemes licensed by Treestuff.com. Once another retailer makes a deal with Yale, there will be other colors as well.

We are a tiny market in the cordage world, Yale saw no loss from cutting ties with Sherrill.

Adam is currently working on a 32 strand cover climbing rope and a 32 strand hitch cord to go with it.
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That is exactly what i was expecting and thought.. The big question is if the Samson poison ivy will be a straight clone of the XTC 24 strand, improved upon (if it can be done), worse, or just a different color of voyager.
 
evo said:
That is exactly what i was expecting and thought.. The big question is if the Samson poison ivy will be a straight clone of the XTC 24 strand, improved upon (if it can be done), worse, or just a different color of voyager.
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I believe the new SherrillSamsonIvy ropes are all poly, which would make them very different than voyager. Please correct me if I am wrong .....
 
rico said:
I believe the new SherrillSamsonIvy ropes are all poly, which would make them very different than voyager. Please correct me if I am wrong .....
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U right, the Voyager, velocity and vortex series is all nylon core, poly cover
 
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