Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
Tom anything else would be uncivilized.Just kidding I think any of the newer handsaws are alot better than what we had in the past-but I personally only use a silky.
Wraptor resistance
- Thread starter sohner
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- Location
- Penticton, British Columbia
I was just thinking that selling yourself as a 'wraptor equipped' climber contractor might make oneself more appealing and could perhaps increase revenue streams. Someone looking for a climber is more likely to believe in the wraptor than your stories of how you can run up a rope.
I suppose if your edge is your pure climbing skill, then resistance to a tool which allows beginners to access the parts of the canopy which only skilled climbers or lift operators previously could have would be threatening.
I say the more the merrier, I would love for my wife to be able to enjoy the view from 100' up a red oak with me, she surely can't ascend without a wraptor or elevator system. Hell, iffin yer gramma was up to it she could get up there too.
Technology is amazing. Imagine telling a high rigger from the 1850's about being able to ascend a 250' fir with a gas powered wraptor and blow the top out with a gas powered chainsaw. Either they woulda called you a pansy and claimed supernatural ability to outwork that system, or they would have seen the light.
It all seems to come down to pride and age here. The proud young men either refuse it or display resentment or anger towards it (the humbler ones seem to embrace it, weird)...and the older fellas, well you get the picture.
I suppose if your edge is your pure climbing skill, then resistance to a tool which allows beginners to access the parts of the canopy which only skilled climbers or lift operators previously could have would be threatening.
I say the more the merrier, I would love for my wife to be able to enjoy the view from 100' up a red oak with me, she surely can't ascend without a wraptor or elevator system. Hell, iffin yer gramma was up to it she could get up there too.
Technology is amazing. Imagine telling a high rigger from the 1850's about being able to ascend a 250' fir with a gas powered wraptor and blow the top out with a gas powered chainsaw. Either they woulda called you a pansy and claimed supernatural ability to outwork that system, or they would have seen the light.
It all seems to come down to pride and age here. The proud young men either refuse it or display resentment or anger towards it (the humbler ones seem to embrace it, weird)...and the older fellas, well you get the picture.
- Location
- Costa Rica
Hey Guys,
I see one major problem with the wraptor, and that is the fact that up-and-coming climbers may never learn to footlock or SRT ascend ever! And if so, never productive. I witnessed the womens masters at the WCISA receive a free ride with a wraptor to enter the masters tree!So, will they be able to cruise up the wraptor in the Intnationals,,, I don't think so... I feel it is important for all groundies to shine on the ground before they climb a tree, as well as all climbers need to be polished on the basics of climbing before they get into advanced and progressive techniques or equipment! Myself, I see this device being more than productive in large pruning jobs with numerous tall trees. I would go out the day before and blow throwlines in the trees and send my climbers up with the wraptor for productivity! However, I won't cater to premadonnas!
Just my opinion,
X-man
I liked the wraptor, I would walkerize mine at the first chance and put a safety button on the throttle.
I see one major problem with the wraptor, and that is the fact that up-and-coming climbers may never learn to footlock or SRT ascend ever! And if so, never productive. I witnessed the womens masters at the WCISA receive a free ride with a wraptor to enter the masters tree!So, will they be able to cruise up the wraptor in the Intnationals,,, I don't think so... I feel it is important for all groundies to shine on the ground before they climb a tree, as well as all climbers need to be polished on the basics of climbing before they get into advanced and progressive techniques or equipment! Myself, I see this device being more than productive in large pruning jobs with numerous tall trees. I would go out the day before and blow throwlines in the trees and send my climbers up with the wraptor for productivity! However, I won't cater to premadonnas!
Just my opinion,
X-man
I liked the wraptor, I would walkerize mine at the first chance and put a safety button on the throttle.
- Location
- Longmont, CO
The Wraptor has special uses. In my area, I don't have special uses every day/multiple times per day. Therefore, I won't buy one.
Set aside the limitations to usage... I think the Wraptor needs improvement. I think electric/battery operated ascenders would be the way to go for many many reasons too much to be worth the time to write down.
I'm aware of Atlas Devices and PowerQuick , but their heads are so far up their butt on price that they will not be practicle for 10 years or so... However, they are proving they can do electric.
I'm certainly not promoting the two mentioned above, I'm promoting the idea. And I believe that a less arogant person could develope one and allow the cost to be so reasonable, that tree climbers would be able to purchase one (or more).
Gas powered ascenders are way behind in technology, IMO.
Set aside the limitations to usage... I think the Wraptor needs improvement. I think electric/battery operated ascenders would be the way to go for many many reasons too much to be worth the time to write down.
I'm aware of Atlas Devices and PowerQuick , but their heads are so far up their butt on price that they will not be practicle for 10 years or so... However, they are proving they can do electric.
I'm certainly not promoting the two mentioned above, I'm promoting the idea. And I believe that a less arogant person could develope one and allow the cost to be so reasonable, that tree climbers would be able to purchase one (or more).
Gas powered ascenders are way behind in technology, IMO.
guymayor
Branched out member
- Location
- East US, Earth
Fascinating info--I called the PowerQuick phone number and it was out of service. Talk about behind in technology...
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I think electric/battery operated ascenders would be the way to go for many many reasons too much to be worth the time to write down....Gas powered ascenders are way behind in technology, IMO.
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It is good to look to the future but we are working in the here and now. There is a reason (in fact many) you are using gas powered chainsaws and not electric.
Dave
I think electric/battery operated ascenders would be the way to go for many many reasons too much to be worth the time to write down....Gas powered ascenders are way behind in technology, IMO.
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It is good to look to the future but we are working in the here and now. There is a reason (in fact many) you are using gas powered chainsaws and not electric.
Dave
- Location
- NJ
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Fascinating info--I called the PowerQuick phone number and it was out of service. Talk about behind in technology...
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LOL, that's cuase these 2, Atlas Devices and Swedish company ActSafe released the T1-16 tactical rope ascender at DSEI. The poor slow PowerQuick folded under. Both of the ascenders infact are seeing use in the fire companies and Military services. I don't recall seeing a Wraptor even listed for a test run. OOO that's right, cause it's totally absurd to be asking anyone to lug gas along with them, if they don't have too. Saw catches fire you can just drop it. This thing catches fire it's in your lap with no escape from it, are we supposed to lump a fire extinguisher with us now for safty?
Batteries, it's the wave of the future. Once the fosil fule guys let go we can move forward.
Fascinating info--I called the PowerQuick phone number and it was out of service. Talk about behind in technology...
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LOL, that's cuase these 2, Atlas Devices and Swedish company ActSafe released the T1-16 tactical rope ascender at DSEI. The poor slow PowerQuick folded under. Both of the ascenders infact are seeing use in the fire companies and Military services. I don't recall seeing a Wraptor even listed for a test run. OOO that's right, cause it's totally absurd to be asking anyone to lug gas along with them, if they don't have too. Saw catches fire you can just drop it. This thing catches fire it's in your lap with no escape from it, are we supposed to lump a fire extinguisher with us now for safty?
Batteries, it's the wave of the future. Once the fosil fule guys let go we can move forward.
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
Batteries catch on fire too.
- Location
- NJ
I guess they do, not as easy as gas but you do have a point.
Funny is the facts, I have seen a saw just catch fire before after use. I've never seen a battery powered drill, saw, or hand tool catch fire. Only ever seen a car battery do that, and it was from human error not on it's own.
Funny is the facts, I have seen a saw just catch fire before after use. I've never seen a battery powered drill, saw, or hand tool catch fire. Only ever seen a car battery do that, and it was from human error not on it's own.
southsoundtree
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Olympia, WA
good points.
Battery fumes are corrosive to synthetic ropes. Petroleum products (unless on fire) are not harmful to typical climbing ropes, I believe.
I believe that a lot of rescue crews dispose of gear after its been used once. Maybe, maybe not.
We use the same rope for long periods of time, repetitively.
Either way, inspection is important.
Battery fumes are corrosive to synthetic ropes. Petroleum products (unless on fire) are not harmful to typical climbing ropes, I believe.
I believe that a lot of rescue crews dispose of gear after its been used once. Maybe, maybe not.
We use the same rope for long periods of time, repetitively.
Either way, inspection is important.
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
You can escape the Wraptor by squeezing your hitch and lowering as fast as you want.
I relate to preferring to climb with your body, that's how I do too... I don't own a Wraptor. But damn, how can you be AGAINST a really cool tool like this?
The design is simple and clean, it was created by a production climber who still climbs full time, the motor is the same one most guys use to drill holes for tree cables, it's tiny and doesn't smoke in your face, it leaves you with a second SRT line in the tree in case you need it... it saves ENERGY so it make work go better... it's a positive development.
I relate to preferring to climb with your body, that's how I do too... I don't own a Wraptor. But damn, how can you be AGAINST a really cool tool like this?
The design is simple and clean, it was created by a production climber who still climbs full time, the motor is the same one most guys use to drill holes for tree cables, it's tiny and doesn't smoke in your face, it leaves you with a second SRT line in the tree in case you need it... it saves ENERGY so it make work go better... it's a positive development.
- Location
- Asheville,NC
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The Wraptor has special uses. In my area, I don't have special uses every day/multiple times per day. Therefore, I won't buy one.
Set aside the limitations to usage... I think the Wraptor needs improvement. I think electric/battery operated ascenders would be the way to go for many many reasons too much to be worth the time to write down.
I'm aware of Atlas Devices and PowerQuick , but their heads are so far up their butt on price that they will not be practicle for 10 years or so... However, they are proving they can do electric.
I'm certainly not promoting the two mentioned above, I'm promoting the idea. And I believe that a less arogant person could develope one and allow the cost to be so reasonable, that tree climbers would be able to purchase one (or more).
Gas powered ascenders are way behind in technology, IMO.
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special uses? air quality?
batterys have thier own issues. Less then a teaspoon of fuel for the top.
The Wraptor has special uses. In my area, I don't have special uses every day/multiple times per day. Therefore, I won't buy one.
Set aside the limitations to usage... I think the Wraptor needs improvement. I think electric/battery operated ascenders would be the way to go for many many reasons too much to be worth the time to write down.
I'm aware of Atlas Devices and PowerQuick , but their heads are so far up their butt on price that they will not be practicle for 10 years or so... However, they are proving they can do electric.
I'm certainly not promoting the two mentioned above, I'm promoting the idea. And I believe that a less arogant person could develope one and allow the cost to be so reasonable, that tree climbers would be able to purchase one (or more).
Gas powered ascenders are way behind in technology, IMO.
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special uses? air quality?
batterys have thier own issues. Less then a teaspoon of fuel for the top.
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
If/when batteries are used they will be sealed like in a computer or cordless tool not vented like in car batteries. Right now it seems like gas is the most cost effective power source for a tool like this. Add money and you could have batteries...would the value be the same?
Lumberjack
Branched out member
Now people are seemingly inventing reasons not to like it.
- Location
- Longmont, CO
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Fascinating info--I called the PowerQuick phone number and it was out of service. Talk about behind in technology...
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LOL.
I've e-mailed them and talked over the phone with them. Their units are around $15k if I remember right.
Fascinating info--I called the PowerQuick phone number and it was out of service. Talk about behind in technology...
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LOL.
I've e-mailed them and talked over the phone with them. Their units are around $15k if I remember right.
- Location
- Longmont, CO
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It is good to look to the future but we are working in the here and now. There is a reason (in fact many) you are using gas powered chainsaws and not electric.
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Thanks for the obvious...
But, I thought we were talking about powered ascenders...
It is good to look to the future but we are working in the here and now. There is a reason (in fact many) you are using gas powered chainsaws and not electric.
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Thanks for the obvious...
But, I thought we were talking about powered ascenders...
SingleJack
Participating member
- Location
- W MD
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LOL.
... around $15k if I remember right.
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Sorry but ... Jamin_Mayer, you are right ...
edit: How many Wraptors would that buy? (rhetorical)
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PowerQuick
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LOL.
... around $15k if I remember right.
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Sorry but ... Jamin_Mayer, you are right ...
edit: How many Wraptors would that buy? (rhetorical)
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- Longmont, CO
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Now people are seemingly inventing reasons not to like it.
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You know you want one
Check out the specs!
I know the device is too fast for the ascent, but I'm sure that could be calibrated/adjustable if necessary in the short future.
But, the Wraptor has nothing against 5feet/second! I think FTR: 1 foot/second would be ideal.
Now people are seemingly inventing reasons not to like it.
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You know you want one
Check out the specs!
I know the device is too fast for the ascent, but I'm sure that could be calibrated/adjustable if necessary in the short future.
But, the Wraptor has nothing against 5feet/second! I think FTR: 1 foot/second would be ideal.
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Sorry but ... Jamin_Mayer, you are right ...
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Wow. Rehetorical statements are flowing today...
I already said they the manufactures of battery powered power ascenders are way too arrogant and charging way too much. --Tell me something I didn't know already.
Sorry but ... Jamin_Mayer, you are right ...
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Wow. Rehetorical statements are flowing today...
I already said they the manufactures of battery powered power ascenders are way too arrogant and charging way too much. --Tell me something I didn't know already.
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