Would this biner be legal in comps?

Ouch, so the Passo 2 fails also, thanks!
Mark, you think the same about the BD Magnetron, not beeing suited for TreeClimbing & Comps?
Its gate locking mechanism is in the strongest position when locked, the opposite of the springs in the gate of the Passo.
 
Given that comps tend to be more conservative. I'd really like to see how the larger community of rope access people view this. The mechanism is technically 3 distinct actions. That 2 of them can be combined doesn't negate the fact that both are required to open the gate, the third action.
JMHO
 
I've stated my position, this is as far as I am prepared/ able to discuss this in virtual Neverneverland.

Max, I will happily discuss this further face to face. You planning to come to the Swiss TCC next weekend? Or else in Poland.
 
Here is a hypothetical. If you are climbing drt with two independent ropes and systems in a comp. Would you be required to use triple locking? Or would double locking be enough?
 
It was interesting talking to a SPRAT guy about this. I was amazed at how he didn't seem to use c inching knots to his carabiner and had double lockers. He commented that SRT climbers can develop a lot of almost superstitious attitudes toward their gear because they have only one chance for something to go wrong. So SRT climber spend a lot of time worrying about things that are highly unlikely to ever occur. DRT climbers treat each system with the utmost care and respect but just utilize two systems to account for all the "whatifs".

There is a video going around on Facebook of a guy without using any hands unlocking and locking his triple locker on a branch just by shifting his body.
A combination of Wierd angles made it possible.
 
For what it's worth, I would not trust that Magnetron in a comp OR in the workplace. If anyone shows up at work with one of these I will let him borrow a real biner and leave the toys in the truck.
 
Are you worried it would open unintentionally? I have one and don't use it just because the shape is unpractical. I don't see a problem with it becoming unclipped. But I guess practice is moving towards quadruple locking biners which to me just seems ridiculous.
 
If there was an oval magnetron, I'd be using it. The gate design is excellent. I've had rope and small branches open my triacts multiple times. Always fun when you find yourself locked into a small branch. Quadruple locking? Arrgh! A branch or rope will still open it and it will be a quadruple pain to open to get it off.
 
I am a firm believer in working and playing safe. However given enough time and effort any safe act can be spun into some feat of "The sky is falling". Here is how I see it...when I climb, I trust the equipment I inspect everytime I use it. I also trust the tree to start and continue to inspect and trust the tree as I climb it. On my way to the tree I don't trust any of the drivers of the 2 ton projectiles sharing the road with me. I know nothing about them, have never inspected them, and most of them have never been tested nor designed for a specific purpose. A sad statement I know, but over the weekend count how many idiots are driving that you just shake your head at. Then count how many times your gear makes you shake your head. Believe in your equipment and yourself, work safe and always think. Just my humble opinion.
 
I have been thinking about this issue some more and realized that I had been mixing up two issues. We are discussing two locking mechanisms that are superficially similar, but yet are quite different. One is the Skylotec Pinchlock and the other is the Black Diamond Magnetron.

The Pinchlock uses springs only to lock the gate, the Magnetron uses a magnet. The Pinchlock has a number of issues, for one the spring-loaded rods that locate into the groove in the nose of the karabiner are round. That means that in a dynamic situation, when something comes into contact with the outside of the gate, the inertia of the rods, combined with the fact that they are round, is sufficient to push them out far enough that the groove then acts as a ramp – and the gate opens. Tapping it on the side of your had is sufficient to do this. This is obviously not good.

The Magnetrons on the other hand are considerably beefier and the locking mechanism is much more positive. The locating rods are square in profile, so the failure mechanism described above is less likely to occur. Also the nose comes down to the level of the dimples where you press the rods to open the gate. On the Pinchlock, in contrast, the nose is way higher up. This means that anything obstructing the locking action and pressing against the gate will be blocked against the nose with the Magnetrons, with the Pinchlock however, it can push open the gate.

Based on these thoughts I would consider a well maintained and functional Magnetron to offer an equivalent level of safety as a lift/ turn/ push-type tripple action gate.

Just my observations...
 

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