work position when snatching

flying_kiwiman

flying_kiwiman

Location
Utrecht, Holland sometimes Dunedin NZ
when you are positioning yourself in a lowering(snatching) situation you have two options on installing your lanyard and your climbing line in relation to the lowering block.

1. lanyard above the block, climbing line(or frictionsaver) choked on the trunk under the block.

2. lanyard under the block, climbing line(or frictionsaver) choked on the trunk above the block.

what would you recommend as the best or safest setup??

climb safe, Jelte
 
I want both my lanyard and my climbing line
above the block to avoid being pinched by the
block or rubbing against the lowering line.
In general, I want to be outside the rigging
as much as possible.

Maybe I don't understand the question.
 
Hi folks
I always set my lanyard and rope under the block.

I find that you can always tuck the lanyard up tight under the woopie or dead eye.There is always a space there for it between the eye of the sling and the block.The main reason I do this is in the event you end up taking a ride on the pole there is no chance of you flipping the lanyard off the pole.Which I have seen happen.The second reason is to leave a safe margin of stem above the block to set your flipline into means that the distance of the fallfactor 2 is longer there by increasing shockloading on the system.My rope I set a bit below the block set in to my rope guide this way I have always a direct escape route to the ground in case of a self rescue situation.

later
Didj
 
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..there is no chance of you flipping the lanyard off the pole...
... longer there by increasing shockloading on the system...


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Didj,

Good points. Of course the climbing line used in a choking manner should
be a good distance away from the from the cut and the lanyard below it.
In case of emergency, I can unclip the lanyard and descend on the choked
climbing line.

What if you're taking the top off without any rigging?
Are you afraid of your lanyard flipping over?
 
Hi Ptar,
If I am freefalling I don't worry so much about the flipline hopping over as I can make the felling cut higher and tip it out with a small felling bar,or have the groundsman take it with a pulling line there is also less chance of a Bucking Broncho situation with freefall so I can stay sat back in my flipline so it can't get the slack to hop over .If I'm on real skinny stuff I take two wraps round with the flip line as an extra precaution.I still always keep the rope choked off and into my centre dees though just incase of an "Ali"

Regards
Didj
 
i go both above; if no secluded place, branching for second line. For fear of flipping off; i have taken a round turn with 1 or both, and have nothing against choking a 1" sling in for 3rd tie in. i've also placed lines inside of kerfs/ small notches(humboldt gives more protection against rubbing, rising up) for protection and or lock.

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Jelte,

Good to see you my friend! Also was a treat to meet your parents in NJ this year!

Now to the question, my peronal preference is to have both above. I have always worried about my lanyard falling off the top so I started the whole choke-off technique more than ten years ago.(shoot, maybe 15? I'm gettin old). Anyway, I feel that a properly set line that is secured from lossening has near zero chance of flipping off or down. It's just my way.

I should also say that I would think that having the lanyard above and the climbing line below would be my second choice. This would give you leverage for working comfortably but also give you the escape route. What do you use?
 
If anything has to go under block, i favour the flat sling as a secondary to the at risk line below pulley. The flatness of the sling/loop runner giving extra protection from the pulley slapping down or rope running so close to sling. i will even use rigging gear as 3rd safety/ more comfy alignmeant; but never as part of my '2' count of the basic FailSafe strategy. Sometimes that rigging is already in place, and ready to use with carabiner waiting to link to.
 
both above the rigging, steel core flipline on top climbing line on bottom w/ a f/s, rope guide or just choked off. if i did hit it w/ a saw i'd rather hit the flip line.
 
hey Mark,

nice that you meet up with the olds in NYC, i'll be going over for christmas and new years.

the setup i'm normaly using is flipline above and frictionsaver choked under. i've noticed on a number of pictures from Arbor Master that they have there flipline under the block and the climbing line choked above, and was woundering what the reason was for this setup. i also wounder what sort of fall factor you would get when having your frictionsaver under, and you would then cut through your flipline( it being above )?? it would be a very direct vertical fall.

i also think the point didjon made about the flipline poping off the top of the trunk in a rodeo situation is a very valid one! but as far as work comfort i think having the flipline above is better. maybe rapping the flipline is then the way to go?

climb safe, jelte

p.s mark, how far from NYC are you??
 
Jelte,

I replied to this post yesterday and it has disappeared. Sorry if you missed it.

Here's my thought. I would rather do as you say with the lanyard above and line below. Main reason is that you get your work positioning leverage from the lanyard, so the higher the better. Also, if you're roping into a block, the rope could run over your line. If you use a friction saver, then the line won't get burned.


I am about an hour away from NYC by car. Maybe we could hook up? /forum/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif
 
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