Won't top, don't ask.

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Won\'t top, don\'t ask.

As a freelancer, I run into arborists with quite a range of services. Some think nothing of topping off trees 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, or even 3/4th of the way down. It's a matter of continual amazement. The first few times I sub out to a new arborist, the simple things don't always turn out to be so simple.

Twice in one week, I've heard, Won't top trees? You're fired !

Some make a big production of tying a scarf around their head because of the hot weather coming up that day, and wonder why they are reminded by some stupid climber that hardhats are a legal requirement.

When instructing a recalcitrant groundie that the chainsaw should be sent up with the bar pointing downward, and with the lanyard free, so it can be attached it to the belt before untying the knot from the handle, his complaint was: Why can't we do it MY way?

Last week, a new Figure 8 owner had too much tension on the letdown line, and the piece did not fall, but swung back into my legs. The wood struck the right leg, dislodging that foot from the trunk, and the spur penetrated my left boot, punching a neat hole in the ankle. Thanks!

Ever notice how folks like to sharpen chainsaws on the tailgate of the pickup? Using one hand to hold the file doesn't allow enough power or control compared to anchoring the saw, then using both hands on the file. Sometimes these saws have backsloped teeth, taking very fine powder, rather than a nice sized chip out of the wood. Guess who gets to use dull saws filed with this 'quickie' touch-up filing method?

To make it easier for the ground crew to avoid learning to tie or untie knots, I often run into situations where the lowering line has an unlocking, aluminum biner affixed to the end of the lowering line with an ax knot. I remove it, then deal with repeated questions as to whether I 'want' a biner on the end of the line.

A pet peeve is when instructions are received to block down trunks in fireplace length pieces, rather than in doubles, triples, or even ten footers. The shortest amount of time in the tree is the best way, as long as the pieces will fit in the drop zone. Why stand in spurs, laboriously cutting wood that the ground crew should be cutting after it hits the ground? Usually, it's because the ground crew is short handed, because the job is being done cheaply, rather than efficiently.

To prolong the life of the 020's some company policy is to send the saw down early, and haul up an 036 to cut the 10-16" pieces. The preferred option is the one with the most control, which is usually the smaller saw, not a heavier one which can't be used one-handed in a pinch.

When limbing a stem all the way up to it's tip prior to removal, it flexes quite a bit as the climber gets out onto 4" or smaller diameter wood. Why on earth does an inexperienced groundworker think he needs to run underneath to grab the last few small branches, right when the climber is getting ready to knock the top out?

When pruning a tree way in the backyard where a zipline is the perfect labor-saving device, guess who has never heard of the technique, or has no slings?

Oftentimes, I'm called in to wreck out a big tree. Guess why there are no wedges, no ax, no peavy on the job? This is logging, folks!

Can anybody think of any other simple things that ought to be standard operating procedure?
 

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Re: Won\'t top, don\'t ask.

If you are freelance climbing, why on earth would you be using someone else's chainsaws? I own (and sharpen) my own climbing saws because I do not want to deal with trying to use someone else's POS saw. If you are a freelance climber then you should be using your own gear. If you wish to speedline stuff then why would you not own the slings and biners necessary to run a speedline? And I don't like trusting other people's ropes, either. I buy 3-4 ropes per year.

I charge enough money to where I can buy and maintain all the equipment I need in order to do my job. If you wish to freelance then you should have your own stuff. If you don't, then you might as well just be an employee.

As far as the peavey to move the logs on the ground, that isn't my problem. I own what I need to get the tree on the ground. Once it is on the ground, it's GROUNDWORK.
 
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You could solve all these problems by calling David, who subs for Turning Leaf out of Issaquah, and is responsible for that company doing very good work, and being extremely well equipped. Between him and I, we likely own 100% of the local GRCS units!

Here's Dave falling a 1500 bf fir, during a 5 log truck load job we did together 16 months ago.

http://www.turningleaftree.com
 

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Re: Won\'t top, don\'t ask.

cant help but notice the guy in the pic seems to be wearing jeans, and a lot of other pics i see posted from america seem to show guys using chainsaws without protection. is this common practice over there?
 
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I noticed that also. At our company it's standard procedure for any grounds person who will be running a saw to be wearing chaps. Especially if you're running anything larger than a 200t. Who knows maybe he took them off before he tapped in the wedges.:)
 
protection

For arbos in the US, any time a chainsaw is used on the ground leg protection SHALL be worn, chaps or pants.

The logging standard is different and more restrictive.
 
Re: protection

how about up a tree tom? i see a lot of climbers wearing arborwear trousers and the like, is this acceptable?
and while we're on the subject, are arborwear pants all they're cracked up to be? thinking about ordering some
 
Re: protection

So far, we don't have to wear leg pro off the ground. Some companies have that policy though.

ArborWare pants aren't saw proof :)

They are comfortable and climb nicely. I've got a couple of pairs of the prototype Tech Pants made with some Cordura blend material. I like them LOTS!!! I've been bugging Paul and Bill to get them into production. If they do, they would be the pants to have. Since the material is a synthetic it is cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter.

Cotton cools/cills [sic]
 
Re: Won\'t top, don\'t ask.

I live and work in Halifax, Nova Scotia and under the Regs one may absolutely not run a chainsaw one-handed "in a pinch" or otherwise. Using common sense why would you even consider it?
As a freelance climber I also provide my own gear and groundcrew when necessary. It's good to know that your gear and groundworkers are familiar and can be trusted while you are aloft.
 
Re: Won\'t top, don\'t ask.

I use a Echo 3400 for trimming,a top handle saw that is well balanced. I use it one handed when trimming with an extended reach.In 20 years of tree work Never had a chainsaw cut that required stitches. 'Knock on wood' Chapps good for cutting on ground with big saws. But i don't wear them clinbing.
 
One handed saw use

I believe ANSI allows exceptions to the rule requiring both hands on the chainsaw. The intent is to limit accidents with a punitive deterrent. I'll take caution over a penalty as a reason to avoid accidents, any day.

As far as who provides the saw/equipment, that is up to the individual contract. If the owner does not maintain it, less work gets done.

The distinction between categories of work starts to kick in here. The difference between a sub-contractor and a temporary employee can be gray in the real world.

One definition is that a sub provides their own gear. Another is that they set the price. Another is that they set the schedule.

I think flexibility is the key. That way, more people will be able to use my services.

The opinion that a prevailing practice is 'right', just because it makes sense in a local area, seems rather subjective. It boils down to preference, when no one else is affected.

My point is that the acceptable level of slop varies widely. We all reach the end of our pickyness threshold, sooner or later.

When the ground crew has an interest in keeping the drop zone clear of brush, or risk a buildup of a huge pile that becomes hard to untangle, they better kick it into high gear. If they dawdle along to the chipper with one branch in each hand, the climber sees that as a message that they don't care if they get buried, and cuts like crazy. When they squawk later on about the mess, the reply is, "Sorry, when I'm up in the tree, I can't wait."

http://treedr.net
 
Re: IRS defines Independant contractor

The IRS has a "rule of twenty"
There are 20 conditions that make a Independant Contractor in the IRS mind.
I dont know them all but the concept is this:
Example: Home Depot
When you go to buy a hot water heater and H.D. says they will install it, they have a I.C. do the work.
Under no direction from HD, the store gives the IC a list of addressess and contact #s. This person then sets up the schedule and performs the work without any input from HD.
The rule of twenty is (incomplete,I dont remember it all)
1. Does the work with out any direction
2. Schedules the work without any direction
3. Supplies all their own tools
4. Performs the work with own help
5. Submits bills for the work-to the prime contractor
6. Advertises their services publiclly, and does Jobs seperatly from the prime.
7. Is a valid, licensed contractor
8. Has own insurence
Should ANY of these conditions not be met the IRS will consider the "independant contractor" to be really an employee of the prime, and thus subject to the prime paying withholding, workman's comp. etc.
Frans
 

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