Wolfy dead fir zip line and crane

Roger_Barnett

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Just got home from craning a 155 foot tall Douglas-fir over a house from 50 feet away. The last crane pick of the butt log weighed 8100 lb, exceeding the 38 ton crane's load chart at that radius. But he got it--up and over the roof. It just nudged the gutter on the way up. I knew it would be heavy and had told the operator that if it was too heavy, I could cut a few feet off the bottom to lighten it. But he got it. The load, appx 2600 board feet, filled the log truck, who had to come back to another site to pick up a large cedar which we had craned out 10 days ago. That tree, was 50 inches at the last cut, which was made 3 feet above the deck that it was growing out of....with two sections of a roof, with that flimsy plastic material on it. So, we had to crane branches as well, and start from the top working our way down. Took forever, and it was raining that day. I underbid that job, as the extra crane fees ate into my portion of the quote. I hope the very knotty and low grade logs bring me $200-300 over what the self loading log trucker charged me..which was $250....I said that was OK when he asked me....but coupled with the $350 for the other load, he made good $ today..as the mill was close by the 2nd job. Of course, diesel at $4.20 gal does eat into his bottom line.

With the fir, we set up a zip line and sent all the branches and top flying over the roof. For that, we use our spectra which is 24,000 tensile strength at 1/2", with near zero stretch at break. It's largely replaced steel for pulling applications like towing barges....it floats and if it breaks it just drops. Steel, on the other hand, stretches first, and has been known to go through the wheelhouse and kill the tug pilot. Plasma line, is one step above spectra, and is rated at 1.5 million lb tensile in its largest 2.5" diameter. Prolly costs $100 a foot? As 0.5" plasma retails at 3.50 a foot!

We got some great images and videos today, as the weather was perfect..getting rare here in the Pacific North "Wet"!!!!
 
22 pics up now

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbtree/...7627907787793/

As a slide show
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbtree/...07787793/show/

From Thursday, when Cowboy Dave bailed at 110 feet, as the wind had picked up.

Zipping over da house.

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@115 feet or so:
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the 8100 lb butt log. 19 feet long and about 900 board feet
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On day one, I shot a line to 85 feet or so, Wraptor'd up, then ascended to 110 feet, where I set the spectra speed line. We needed no control line to zip over the house, as the first limbs were about 40 feet up. On my way down, I preslung a few limbs, so as to keep the speed line reachable. However, as I got near the lowest limbs, I left a fair bit of line free, to allow a bight in the line to allow us to lift the bottom limbs with the 3-1 z-rig, as Dave cut them, so they would clear the roof.

I set the Wraptor line for Dave. As he hasn't worked for us in over a year, this was his first ride. He was a tad apprehensive at first..but, clearly, it's a Caddy ride compared to fliplining up a wolfy 4 foot butted monsta.

Then, today, as I'd left a line set at 110 feet, he was gung ho to ride back up to go back to work!! Trouble is, it wasn't a cool video, as he stopped several times on the way up to pre-measure some log lengths.

It should be clear that there was no drop zone, for anything but some small limbs.

Here he is starting up this morning. Better video action to come, if I ever get to it...

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I lucked out on this slow shutter speed pan/blur and stopped the action of the limbs pretty well.

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Roger,
Is Dave wearing a cowboy hat there? Not as much a criticism as an observation...

Ricky put up a video doing some tree work in cowboy attire and everyone freaked out.. You do it, and no one says a word.. Well maybe they just didn't notice...
 
Yeah. It's Dave's signature hard hat. Apparently it is a rated helmet.

I sure as heck wouln't want to wear it.....no chin strap, though it stay on pretty well.

Dave is extremely competent, but he doesn't do everything by the book...eg, note he only has a flip line.
 
Where do you draw the line????

No climbing line and extremely competent seem a long way apart.. I think that is beyond an "Each to their own" mentality.. I would have to veto Dave on that one...
 
That link didn't work Rog but I managed to find that set anyway. Great photos. Lots of guys climb like Dave on the tall poles around here....just tie the climb-line round the back out of the way. Stayed in Seattle sunday, pretty place so it is!
 
Did doing a pic off the chart require disabling any safety features of the crane? Would have parting the line given you a better chart? Have you tried using two chokers opposite each other to balance the load? Does the fact you did a pic off the chart give you confidence to do it again? If you have enough Spectra line try running it up to the TIP and then continue in the same direction and then down to an anchor. This will change the side load you are putting on the dead tree into compression on the stem...much safer setup.
 
Mark,

The crane's alarm never went off. No need to two part the line, as the winch strength wasn't the issue, but the reach. I was prepared to reach up and cut off 2-4 feet from the butt if the pick was too heavy. Yes, two chokers would have made for a better balanced and smoother lift off...But Dave had set the choker, and I didn't think to ask to have a second opposing choker set. Should have. But the piece lifted off gently anyhow.



No need to distribute the speed line down the trunk. The wood had full strength, and not even the top weighed over about 75-100 lb. Dave went way up and took a small top as he didn't want to bother with a lowering line in order to catch a larger top before transferring it to the speed line.

Also, if you consider the physics (math) of a lower tie off point, I think you see that the force at the top of the stem isn't reduced, but may actually be higher. Not sure about that idea....

I've first utilized speedlining over 20 years ago, so am well aware of the forces involved, and how to control them, but appreciate all comments.
 
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That link didn't work Rog but I managed to find that set anyway. Great photos. Lots of guys climb like Dave on the tall poles around here....just tie the climb-line round the back out of the way. Stayed in Seattle sunday, pretty place so it is!

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On your way back from TCIA? I sat on my asp Sunday, we shoulda hung out.....

free Wraptor rides granted for geezers.....
 
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That link didn't work Rog but I managed to find that set anyway. Great photos. Lots of guys climb like Dave on the tall poles around here....just tie the climb-line round the back out of the way. Stayed in Seattle sunday, pretty place so it is!

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On your way back from TCIA? I sat on my asp Sunday, we shoulda hung out.....

free Wraptor rides granted for geezers.....

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I'd just assummed you'd be out somewhere for sure. The wife and I will be back for a long weekend at some point anyhow, only a couple of hours on the boat.
 
I dont think I explained the concept very well about the speed line. I did not suggest you run the speed line from the chipper up to the tree and then down the tree to the base. What I was suggesting was run the speed line from the chipper up to the tree and then in a straight line at a similar angle away from the chipper to the ground over in the neighbors back yard. That way the load in down on the stem not putting a sideload on the spar tree. There is a great picture of this method in the latest TCIA magazine in Todd Kramers article on Managing Rigging Forces p.12. It looked like you had a 600' spool of your spectra line with most of it still on the spool. In the picture you can see orange speed line with the top running to the ground and you can also see a line (maybe the same line) running in the opposite direction. This lines job is to transfer the load straight down the stem. It's too bad this detail was not pointed out in the article. The concept was mentioned, but the picture was not used as an example. The more good ideas we can borrow from each other the safer and more productive we become. The job was a tricky one and you pulled it off without injury or property/equipment damage.
 
Gotcha, Mark. The now departed Mike Mass used to suggest back guying a suspect tree years ago. Great idea, when needed. With some trees, it's even a good idea to fabricate a ground anchor, as often, there's not an appropriately placed anchor tree.

Never even considered it with this tree, as the spar was very strong, and the side loads were small.
 
Whatever happened to Mike? Broke my heart when his daughter died in a car wreck.. Still keep her photo on my fridge.. we butted heads plenty, but I learned some important stuff about proper pruning from him and Tom D, and he offered to lend me equipment when my saddle went through the chipper..
 

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