Whole Tree Chipper Two Man Minimum Rule Adoption?

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Re: Whole Tree Chipper Two Man Minimum Rule Adopti

Is recommendation number 2 a practicable recommendation when feeding a large heavy branch into a WTC for one operator?

I don't think even Hercules could accomplish such a task alone!

It would certainly lead to back problems and workman's comp claims!

Just getting the butt onto the feed table would be very difficult working alone. But actually feeding from off to the side?

Impossible in the real world of WTC operations.

jomoco
 
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What are the top recommendations of OSHA for preventing wood chipper injuries and fatalities?

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/face/stateface/ca/08CA005.html#recommendations

Recommendation #1: Ensure that employees never operate a wood chipper alone.

Discussion: A safety watch (additional worker) is mandated in many high-risk occupations to help prevent injuries. When the wood chipper is in operation, at least one worker in addition to the operator should be placed in the immediate vicinity of the work area and in close contact with the operator. In this incident, there was a co-worker but he was not working with the victim at the wood chipper. An additional person stationed near the chipper may have prevented the victim from feeding material immediately in front of the in-feed chute, or may have been able to activate the safety bar before the victim made contact with the chipper blades.

Recommendation #2: Ensure that all employees stand to the side of the feed table when feeding trimmings into the brush chipper.

Discussion: In this particular case, a witness observed the victim standing directly behind the feed table in front of the chute as he fed tree branches into the wood chipper. The feed table provides an important measure of safety by increasing the distance between the feed rollers and the operator. The wood chipper was equipped with a safety stop and reversing feed control bar located across the top and down each side of the feed chute. The operator could easily activate this safety device while standing at the side of the feed table. However, if standing directly in front of the feed table, the operator is out of reach of this safety device. Also, if an operator should place any part of his/her body on the feed table, the risk of getting snagged or dragged into the chipper blades is greatly increased and a worker caught by the hands could not activate the quick stop device. The correct and safe feeding pathway is from the side, and the operator should walk away immediately following feeding as depicted in the following illustration.


(Courtesy of Michigan Occupational Safety and Health Administration, Pub OSC-6125).


Recommendation #3: Ensure that employees are thoroughly trained and tested on the operation of wood chippers.

Discussion: The victim in this case had received initial training on the wood chipper when it was purchased in 2002. There was no documentation that indicated any additional or refresher training had been offered to employees since the chipper was purchased. A serious incident can occur if the worker loses balance and falls forward into the feed chute, reaches too far into the feed mechanism, or becomes entangled or pushed by branches and limbs that are being pulled into the chipper. The risk can be minimized if workers are trained and retrained (at least annually) in safe feeding techniques that include the following:

Never place hands or feet inside the feed chute;
Always stand to the side of the in-feed hopper when feeding the wood chipper. This minimizes the risk of entanglement in branches and allows quick access to the feed control bar to turn off or reverse the feeding mechanism. (Because of differences among machines, the manufacturer’s operating manual should be consulted for guidance. Safe feeding of some disc-type chippers requires the worker to be on the right side);
Immediately walk away once the machine has grabbed the material and been fed through the chipper knives;
Feed brush and limbs into the in-feed hopper butt end first; and
Lay short/small material on top of longer material to feed or use a push paddle to push short or thorny brush through the in-feed hopper.
Safe work practices can be assured through programs of training, supervision, rewards, and progressive disciplinary measures.


Reference
California Code of Regulations, Subchapter 7. General Industry Safety Orders Group 3. General Plant Equipment and Special Operations Article 12. Tree Work, Maintenance or Removal §3424. Mobile Equipment. (c) Brush Chippers.

Are ignoring these recommendations a wise business practice?

jomoco

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Re: Whole Tree Chipper Two Man Minimum Rule Adopti

What about when a crane is feeding said piece into the chipper. The operator is to the side and out of the way?

Peter, I believe is doing his job. There are committees set up to do the work of ansi standards. That is part of delegating. One man cannot do it all. Get involved and be part of the solution.
 
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Between the chipper operator and the crane operator, that would make two people in the vicinity of the WTC. And in so much as the chipper operator stays on the engine side of the chipper's control bar, and is wearing full PPE? It could be considered marginally safe IMO

Peter Gerstenberger
Senior Advisor for Safety, Compliance & Standards
Tree Care Industry Association, Inc.

Peter needs to either change his title, or actually start doing the job he gets paid for IMO.

jomoco
 
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Jomoco, While you are up on your horse make sure to keep two hands on the chainsaw.

Oh wait, apparently not only do you pick and choose which rules you follow, now you are trying to pick and choose the ones we do too... got it.

BTW I work for a relatively large company like you mentioned. Our residential territory, 2 and 3 man crews, all run bandit 1590's not 12 inch chippers like you stated. But you know better than me I am sure, being 1/2000th of our work force.
 
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With all due respect, Peter Gerstenberger has been a leader in the way of safety protocol within the modern tree industry.His qualifications and improvements to the standards have definately made arboriculture safer for those who choose to follow them.
Anybody can see(read )that you feel passionate about you
views and opinions . If you choose to champion this cause then do so by leading in a professional manner. You have started a poll that asked for opinions , use this feedback to base a platform for when you address the standards comittee.
 
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I voted yes to a two man requirement, but it seems to me that there is another solution that should be considered. How about not having people standing next to large branches trying to force them into the chipper? That would eliminate the "dragon tail" problem. If there is no mechanical means for feeding large material, then it should be cut small enough for one person to be able to handle. By the way, I'm expecting this idea to get completely $#@+ on.
 
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With all due respect, Peter Gerstenberger has been a leader in the way of safety protocol within the modern tree industry.His qualifications and improvements to the standards have definately made arboriculture safer for those who choose to follow them.
Anybody can see(read )that you feel passionate about you
views and opinions . If you choose to champion this cause then do so by leading in a professional manner. You have started a poll that asked for opinions , use this feedback to base a platform for when you address the standards comittee.

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I sincerely hope Peter will be at that ANSI committee meeting with his glasses on so that he and each member attending gets a clear hard look at the graphic photos of young 28 year old treeworkers with no right arm, shoulder and head after he's been freed from the feed wheels of a WTC by EMT's.

I want them all to see the graphic photos I have too many times. Then maybe they'll decide OSHA's recommendations make good common sense from a plain old humanitarian point of view?

I've heard them talk the talk. But can they bring themselves to walk the walk?

jomoco
 
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Will YOU be there? Will YOU have written a letter to the Z133 committee about YOUR concerns?

Its really easy to sit at a keyboard and rattle on about your concerns. Now, take it to the next level.

There's nothing that can be accomplished by rattling on and on here in a discussion forum.

YOU need to get the work done.
 
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Yes, this thread's very informative and educational in terms of the hypocrisy and double standards this industry practices from deep within its managerial and leadership ranks.

Don't condone leaving the poor precious climbers working alone. They might bump their precious little heads and need help.

But the chipper operators? To heck with them. University studies show that a second man in the vicinity doesn't make an appreciable difference!

Too bloody rich mates.

jomoco
 
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I hope your wearing your threadbare saddle, Rawlings batting helmet(if its not to hot)
and your homemade spikes as you lecture us on hypocracy within the safety culture.
Your thread asked for voices and opinions to be heard,however it is obvious that you care about no ones opinion but your own.
I eagerly anticipate your condensending response that will no doubt, question my intelligence and promote your own Napoleonic ego
 
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Actually I was depending on the many nay sayers to prove their metal by attacking me personally, rather than presenting any well reasoned logical reasons why they too reject OSHA's number one recommendation for helping prevent future wood chipper injuries and fatalities.

I very much appreciate your guys participation. It's an excellent illustration in writing about why this embarrassing industry problem still plagues us to this very day.

Please feel free to comment further guys, it's very enlightening and educational.

jomoco
 
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Mettle not metal.

Just because the rest of the world doesn't follow in lock-stepped unison with you doesn't mean that the rest of the world disagrees with you.

Why are operators not trained to stay out of the sweep area? If the solution is to have two operators then put two in place.

Wearing Seatbelts has been the Federal Law for years. Look at the compliance rate. How many people would be alive if they would have worn seatbelts?

Look at the issue of wearing helmets, even bicycle helmets while driving. Most auto accident studies agree that helmets in cars would save LOTS of lives.

There's another cause that's looking for a champion.
 
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Mettle not metal.



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Great Scott!

Yet another tree industry veteran caught red handed making a mistake!

I'm falling!

jomoco
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Yet another tree industry veteran caught red handed making a mistake!



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We all get one per day...look how late in the day you made your one
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Touch wood...my sawdust-filled noggin---I'm still good to go. That's kinda scary!
 
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I hope your wearing your threadbare saddle, Rawlings batting helmet(if its not to hot)
and your homemade spikes as you lecture us on hypocracy within the safety culture.
Your thread asked for voices and opinions to be heard,however it is obvious that you care about no ones opinion but your own.
I eagerly anticipate your condensending response that will no doubt, question my intelligence and promote your own Napoleonic ego

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Priceless.
 
Re: Whole Tree Chipper Two Man Minimum Rule Adopti

I have never heard a bc1800 called a "whole tree chipper".

I dont see the need for a new reg mandating two workers on every chipper. It wont save lives, its just another way for companies to be fined.
If you follow the safe opperation procedures already in place for feeding a chipper its almost impossible to get pulled through it. People die feeding chippers due to complacency and bad habits. Why make more rules when the current ones are not being enforced?

Are there situations when two opperators are required to safetly run a chipper? Absolutely, but not every in every situation. Workers, foremen, managers, and owners need to use common sense and run their job sites in a safe manner using procedures that fit the situations they are working in.

The idea that workers going through chippers is a new problem or limited to larger chippers is just not true. The feed wheels on a 6" chipper have more then enough power to pull a person through, I have seen several accident reports of fatalities from very small chippers.

I would really like to see more enforcement. Every single day I drive by tree crews with no ppe, unsafe equipment using horrible work practices. On saturday I drove by a crew working on a main road with a rented 60 ton. 5 man crew right on the edge of the street, 2 pieces of ppe, two guys were wearing the FM stereo ear muffs. So my question is how many of these 50 fatalities occurred on crews like that one that dont follow any of the rules?

Chippers and chainsaws are not respected in our industry, companies tend to be very careful about who they will send up a tree but will throw just about anyone behind a chipper with a chainsaw. We take chipper and saw safety very seriously, I know many companies dont.

I am not against new regulations, just unnecessary ones that will not address the problem.

Jomoco, I am sorry for the loss of your friend, but there is no way to know if a second worker on the ground would have saved him. You are very passionate about this subject, too a fault, you seem unwilling to listen to the views of anyone else. You are looking at this through the eyes of a contract climber, you have employees, managers and owners all expressing their view on this, its very important to consider all angleswhen adding new regs
 
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