who here uses a throwline?

There is a big thread here titled "The art of the throw ball", to me canopy access is all about using a throwline and throw weight. Using these well gives you access to where you want to go and the ability to do it efficiently.

I'm still working on being able to do that on trees like this...
Lowest branch probably 110'-120', tree sits on a steep slope surrounded by thick undergrowth.

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Hey Bob, the link to that Mag throwbag I mentioned earlier is at the bottom of Yoyoman's message. Nice tool to have in my humble opinion.
 
Yo Yo, you gotta start practicing the vertical throw. Really. I seldom have a need for it, but it's a good thing to practice for those situations. We sometimes work in trees that tall, but they rarely have dense undergrowth. That is such a challenge. Get a thin line and an 8oz. bag.

I've left the bag launcher to collect dust in the trailer ever since I did a rec climb with a friend that really rocked the hand throw. I knew I had to get as good as him. I'm still learning, but it feels good not to rely on the launcher.

I had to really really practice the long pendulum throw, but it it possible to reach those heights by hand. Hopefully you can position with your throw hand on the downhill side of the slope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2HcRl4wSk
 
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i can throw a monkeys fist 100 feet straight up.

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...and it's heavy enough to come down? Dang, bro! You got a mean set of pipes!

@ Swan; 40' is real good! I think Jeff C reported seeing someone hit at least 40' with a monkey fist.
 
Thanks Oceans,
I try to stay with a constant weight when hand tossing, 12oz and 1.4mm line, that weight works pretty well for returning to the ground. I max out at about 80' that way.
I'll give the 8oz a try after I buy another one, I left the last one in the jungle of Costa Rica. I use the 8oz weight with the fishing line. I modified the pouch on the big shot and hope that helps. Photo attached.


I still want to get something that will travel well, not cost much, not have problems clearing security when I travel and that will consistently get to 150'-200'.
 

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Don't worry Rob, Riggs will be fine if the Eagles win this weekend.

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Too bad about the eagles.. Kelly would have been a hero if he had let the saints score a quick TD, right after the 2 minute warning, (since they were already in field goal range) and then come back and scored his own TD to win the game..

Saints played the end game well...

Must have sucked to go down and freeze your azz off with such high hopes and be so let down in the last 3 seconds...

Ever hear the saying "there is no such thing as a stupid question"? Well if a guy is self taught and hasn't ever worked with a pro, I'll give him a break and answer it even if I think it is stupid...

I use a thowline on the vast majority of trees. Like to Keep 3 in the truck with the big shot, though often its faster to just throw by hand.. There are a lot of times where its actually faster to just strap on the hooks and start your way up, so with removals it can be questionable. Always nice to to be tied in high as you work your way up though. when throwlines get tangled or stuck, it sucks and can waste a lot of time, especially if theres a whole crew waiting.

On the other hand I;ve seen a good man through from the front yard, over the house, 90' into a high backyard crotch... Best is when you set your rigging lines on remote trees, and start swinging big limbs from the get go...

Lots of fun and great to get creative with all the options a throwline offers..
 
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I usually get my main climb line over a branch and then use my 'short climb line' which is a 20' lanyard with distel and micro pulley to tie into that limb and then keep tossing my main line up the tree.

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That is generally considered to be a very slow way of access. Sounds like you need to practice your technique and get a big shot.. that tool changed my life..

There is no substitute for practice with a throw line. It takes repetition to get the muscle memory going.. You don't get that with a few throws here and there. Find a nice tree in the park and practice an hour a week til you get it..
 
Daniel, I thought I was the only one who thought like that. 100% agreement on the td right away. I was yelling at the tv those exact words.
 
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Who uses a throwline to get their rope high up and then advances the tree versus just getting your rope over a low limb and working your way up? I usually get my main climb line over a branch and then use my 'short climb line' which is a 20' lanyard with distel and micro pulley to tie into that limb and then keep tossing my main line up the tree.

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Welcome Bob.
I just read most of this whole thread.
No one mentioned this:
When you are set on hitting a very high Tie in point, often times in 100 to 130 foot trees you can't see exactly the condition of the limb and many other things.
This can be very dangerous. I am surprised there are not more deaths and injuries from tie in points breaking out due to this.
Often times, if it takes many many throws or slingshot shoots, sometimes you are tempted to say, ah forget it, that little limb might be okay..... Don't be tempted to do that.

If you want to climb to very high tie in points, it's best to send it through many crotches and climb it initially (at least) with Single Rope Technique, IMO. Isolating a tie in point very high and using double line is more dangerous.

I have very good eyesight by the way.

There are definitely tree shapes and situations where setting a throw line high is a real waste of time. But many "teaching schools" say to set a line first, no matter what. I do not agree with this at all.
 
Riggs, you really gotta get some poontang. It's affecting your demeanor.

Chisolm, the armbar is nice if you're set up for it but there are other options. I'm thinking Riggs might be vengeful if injured anyway...you know, the "catch you in your sleep" type. I like a rear naked choke, guillotine, darse, or plain old triangle better. That way he goes night-night, wakes up, you're gone, and he's no worse for wear.
 
I laughed too! Thanks, Tom. And thanks to everyone who took the time to help out a new guy looking for advice.

As to the original question, I use a throw line almost all the time. There are very few trees I would access without one. Dense conifers often require getting a less than ideal crotch and advancing, but as I get more and more into SRT (access for now), the possibilities open up. Dense trees or trees with poor throwing options can sometimes be accessed by getting the throw line over the entire tree (or at least over the crotch you are aiming for), and then using a second line and weight attached to the first one to isolate your TIP.

I hope this is somehow helpful.

-Tom
 
Awe we don't get any fireworks Tom? Happy b'day also...we are big boys, I certainly can handle Riggs and Tree Co....but I know how the game will go been there before...so it's cool..don't want to spoil young Bob's thread with rubbish...but he now has all the info he needs...Bob welcome and keep practicing, the throwline will come...get some Harrison rockets ( best throw balls hands down ) and 180' of dynaglide with a nice throwcube, all x 2 ( be prepared to go climbing, lol ), a 10 and 12 ounce should suffice...hit the park with a good tall tree with nice open crotches...start low and start hitting, then raise the bar...forget the big shot till you have mastered the throw... you can thank me later...enjoy..bro...
 
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get some Harrison rockets ( best throw balls hands down ) and 180' of dynaglide with

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Oh! I don't know Harrison rocket, swing. I will have to get some.
I agree on the dynaglide for sure. Love it. But, it usually has some wax coating or something at first now-a-days and it takes a few days of throwing to wear that off and then gets it running nice and slippery. I heard guys say they hate dynaglide and stop using it after the first day and I think this is why. It gets great after the first week or two.
Also, buy the green dynaglide, for some reason, I swear the orange/red version keeps birdnesting and knotting up. weird.
 
around here, a 240 foot throw line would be the best. But arborist suppliers sell, 150, 180, 200 or 1000 or 2400 feet only.

so we end up having to often add a throw line to a throw line to get the ball to the ground.
 
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