KentuckySawyer
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Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
They're both easy...
and hard.
Just different.
They're both easy...
and hard.
Just different.
What's more physically challenging, and why?
- Thread starter jomoco
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Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
With my back to the earth I go higher and higher!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlF4F5y8aAo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
jomoco
With my back to the earth I go higher and higher!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlF4F5y8aAo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
jomoco
chris_girard
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- Gilmanton, N.H.
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
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Giant super strategic non- crane removals?
Or giant class one pruning of the same tree?
Why?
I personally think first class is far more exhausting.
Cuz I ain't got me bloody gaffs on.
Though running ropes all day on a takedown causes my arms to cramp more quickly than pruning all day does.
Can you imagine an 18th century sail rigger's grip?
jomoco
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Good Post!
I agree. I find class one pruning much harder, especially when you add a pole saw in the mix and have to use that for any length of time.
No doubt about about it, those sailors had incredible grips from their daily work!
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Giant super strategic non- crane removals?
Or giant class one pruning of the same tree?
Why?
I personally think first class is far more exhausting.
Cuz I ain't got me bloody gaffs on.
Though running ropes all day on a takedown causes my arms to cramp more quickly than pruning all day does.
Can you imagine an 18th century sail rigger's grip?
jomoco
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Good Post!
I agree. I find class one pruning much harder, especially when you add a pole saw in the mix and have to use that for any length of time.
No doubt about about it, those sailors had incredible grips from their daily work!
- Location
- rhode island
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
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GUY,
Do you think body type is a crock? although i have seen many shapes and sizes of climbers...It seems like some are more finesse than grit and vice versa? no? i could be talked out of it!!
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I agree that some climbers are more grit and others finesse, but I don't think body shape has much to do with it. I think it's all attitude.
To the original question, removals are generally more taxing on my body. I'm six feet tall and weigh 170, I have skinny arms and legs. Fatigue sets in fast, and I mean fast, when I handle big saws aloft. I'm sure some guys will see my size and say WTF he's big, but I was bred to be a competitive swimmer and my body seems to have adapted to only throwing my own weight around.
Huh, maybe I should change my "attitude".
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GUY,
Do you think body type is a crock? although i have seen many shapes and sizes of climbers...It seems like some are more finesse than grit and vice versa? no? i could be talked out of it!!
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I agree that some climbers are more grit and others finesse, but I don't think body shape has much to do with it. I think it's all attitude.
To the original question, removals are generally more taxing on my body. I'm six feet tall and weigh 170, I have skinny arms and legs. Fatigue sets in fast, and I mean fast, when I handle big saws aloft. I'm sure some guys will see my size and say WTF he's big, but I was bred to be a competitive swimmer and my body seems to have adapted to only throwing my own weight around.
Huh, maybe I should change my "attitude".
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
Well I totally prefer removals of any kind large or small, I climb better in bigger well spaced out trees where I can stretch out my 6' 180lbs body. I feel cramped in small bushy trees with tight knitted branches. To this post I like big removals ( I enjoy rigging ) as opposed to large prunes which to me are quite tedious and when done correctly can pretty much chew up the clock. Heavy saws do take a toll but I have devised a way to alleviate that occasionally by having them attached to a separate line ( but I keep having to move the line around as I progress through the removal ) so that they are not hanging from my harness but is not always applicable and depends on the tree. I was a competitive runner and still run so I am very lean and agile with a degree of power and endurance but combined with this heat big saws can become a formidable foe.
Well I totally prefer removals of any kind large or small, I climb better in bigger well spaced out trees where I can stretch out my 6' 180lbs body. I feel cramped in small bushy trees with tight knitted branches. To this post I like big removals ( I enjoy rigging ) as opposed to large prunes which to me are quite tedious and when done correctly can pretty much chew up the clock. Heavy saws do take a toll but I have devised a way to alleviate that occasionally by having them attached to a separate line ( but I keep having to move the line around as I progress through the removal ) so that they are not hanging from my harness but is not always applicable and depends on the tree. I was a competitive runner and still run so I am very lean and agile with a degree of power and endurance but combined with this heat big saws can become a formidable foe.
guymayor
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- East US, Earth
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
The body type reference was in response to Frax, who like many women does not have beefy deltoids and shoulders, unless they take hormones and swim for East Germany, and Rax definitley does not.
Running's great cross-training for climbing; i'll never get back to 3 hour marathon shape, just trying to get to a 2-hour half-marathon time by fall.
A separate line for big saws; only way to go, in a sequoia.
The body type reference was in response to Frax, who like many women does not have beefy deltoids and shoulders, unless they take hormones and swim for East Germany, and Rax definitley does not.
Running's great cross-training for climbing; i'll never get back to 3 hour marathon shape, just trying to get to a 2-hour half-marathon time by fall.
A separate line for big saws; only way to go, in a sequoia.
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- Austin, TX
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
To really enjoy a detailed pruning job you have to forget the clock. It's my favorite thing. In fact, I often bid "Safety prune dead > 2" diam and spend an extra hour or two pruning branches that aren't on the spec just because the tree needs it and I like seeing the results. But definitely there's a lot of core-muscle workout in tip pruning.
removals are easier while you're climbing if you have a good ground crew because you rarely have to leave the center of the tree, but unless you're some kind of primadonna hotshot you have to move logs at the end of the day when there's no shade, so you get tired in different ways for different reasons.
I'd rather spend the whole day in the shade, but if I can put the tree on the ground and let someone else clean up, i enjoy a good removal now and then. But each is hard and easy in different ways
To really enjoy a detailed pruning job you have to forget the clock. It's my favorite thing. In fact, I often bid "Safety prune dead > 2" diam and spend an extra hour or two pruning branches that aren't on the spec just because the tree needs it and I like seeing the results. But definitely there's a lot of core-muscle workout in tip pruning.
removals are easier while you're climbing if you have a good ground crew because you rarely have to leave the center of the tree, but unless you're some kind of primadonna hotshot you have to move logs at the end of the day when there's no shade, so you get tired in different ways for different reasons.
I'd rather spend the whole day in the shade, but if I can put the tree on the ground and let someone else clean up, i enjoy a good removal now and then. But each is hard and easy in different ways
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
Yes. The clock and high quality class one pruning are enemies these days.
People are so hasty, so very un-ent-like, they shouldn't be allowed in trees at all.
jomoco
Yes. The clock and high quality class one pruning are enemies these days.
People are so hasty, so very un-ent-like, they shouldn't be allowed in trees at all.
jomoco
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
Got a berriffle of logs waiting for me to cut up tomorrow on my present job after safely dismantling one half of a huge ficus that has seen better days victim of heavy storm bashing and has succumbed. A huge leader will stay and hopefully survive it is still very healthy and creates a presence, really old tree existing within a plantation yard of my family. Me ain't no pre-madonna I climb and work ground too when necessary.
Got a berriffle of logs waiting for me to cut up tomorrow on my present job after safely dismantling one half of a huge ficus that has seen better days victim of heavy storm bashing and has succumbed. A huge leader will stay and hopefully survive it is still very healthy and creates a presence, really old tree existing within a plantation yard of my family. Me ain't no pre-madonna I climb and work ground too when necessary.
Crazy_Jimmy
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- Texas
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
I worked with this kid when I was 18 or 19 roofing for part of a summer.I would ask him what job he wanted to do and he always responded the same "its all the same to me".I guess thats the additude we should carry in this industry.But its nice to mix things up with removals and pruning,keeps it fun..
I worked with this kid when I was 18 or 19 roofing for part of a summer.I would ask him what job he wanted to do and he always responded the same "its all the same to me".I guess thats the additude we should carry in this industry.But its nice to mix things up with removals and pruning,keeps it fun..
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
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I think the point I'm trying to make is that considering the total number of prunig arborists there are in this industry. I believe only a minority of them are physically capable of pruning a huge strategic tree to class one standards properly.
It takes tremendous strength stamina and technique to do it right. Which is why you see it done so rarely, around here anyway.
The best pruning is done with a handsaw, sometimes even handsheers.
And just getting to it in a giant spreading tree is challenging in ways removals aren't. Cinched nylon loops to step up on and such.
Only a millionaire could afford it, and you'd be in tip top shape doing it.
jomoco
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all I can say is yep! and i am a class one pruner on big trees via SRT
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I think the point I'm trying to make is that considering the total number of prunig arborists there are in this industry. I believe only a minority of them are physically capable of pruning a huge strategic tree to class one standards properly.
It takes tremendous strength stamina and technique to do it right. Which is why you see it done so rarely, around here anyway.
The best pruning is done with a handsaw, sometimes even handsheers.
And just getting to it in a giant spreading tree is challenging in ways removals aren't. Cinched nylon loops to step up on and such.
Only a millionaire could afford it, and you'd be in tip top shape doing it.
jomoco
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all I can say is yep! and i am a class one pruner on big trees via SRT
guymayor
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- East US, Earth
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
cory, no, my best time was 3:03:56, half a minute slower than 7-minute/mile pace, which was my line between mediocre and good. Front of the middle pack, maybe, but still middlin imo. More finishers now, so lower avg times.
It was the same way with ultradistance; never could crack 8 hrs for 50 miles, never finished a 100 miler, but had wild times trying.
Aside form the physical aspect, the great cross-training thing about distance running is the mental stamina. if you can hold your head together while the bod shifts from burning carbs to fat (aka The Wall--no not pink floyd's) and get back to smiling by the finish line, you can manage the strain of reaching all the tips and still have a clear head fro wrapping up the tree.
cory, no, my best time was 3:03:56, half a minute slower than 7-minute/mile pace, which was my line between mediocre and good. Front of the middle pack, maybe, but still middlin imo. More finishers now, so lower avg times.
It was the same way with ultradistance; never could crack 8 hrs for 50 miles, never finished a 100 miler, but had wild times trying.
Aside form the physical aspect, the great cross-training thing about distance running is the mental stamina. if you can hold your head together while the bod shifts from burning carbs to fat (aka The Wall--no not pink floyd's) and get back to smiling by the finish line, you can manage the strain of reaching all the tips and still have a clear head fro wrapping up the tree.
RopeShield
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- Location
- Ontario, Canada
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
The physical challenge is greater with pruning because you do more self rigging, rope tending, climbing/positioning and hand/pole saw/pruning, limb handling etc.
Most of my work is Maple or Oak.
Pruning is like wrestling all day and removals are about 1/2 as fatiguing. imo
Short bursts of intense energy and then moving on to the next lead.
Removals are systematic, constant and predictable expentitures of energy.
love the no chainsaw exhaust
The physical challenge is greater with pruning because you do more self rigging, rope tending, climbing/positioning and hand/pole saw/pruning, limb handling etc.
Most of my work is Maple or Oak.
Pruning is like wrestling all day and removals are about 1/2 as fatiguing. imo
Short bursts of intense energy and then moving on to the next lead.
Removals are systematic, constant and predictable expentitures of energy.
love the no chainsaw exhaust
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
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Giant super strategic non- crane removals?
Or giant class one pruning of the same tree?
Why?
I personally think first class is far more exhausting.
Cuz I ain't got me bloody gaffs on.
Though running ropes all day on a takedown causes my arms to cramp more quickly than pruning all day does.
Can you imagine an 18th century sail rigger's grip?
jomoco
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Easy question to answer, pruning a huge tree CORRECTLY, is WAY MORE exhausting. However, most people do NOT know how to trim correctly and therefor answer this question WRONG.
An estimate from me on tree removal "A" might be $700. Other companies bid $600 and $800.
An estimate on proper triming of tree "A" from me might be $850. Other companies bid $200 and $250.
Why? because they are NOT trimming it correctly, therefor, not putting in the time I plan on putting into it.
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Giant super strategic non- crane removals?
Or giant class one pruning of the same tree?
Why?
I personally think first class is far more exhausting.
Cuz I ain't got me bloody gaffs on.
Though running ropes all day on a takedown causes my arms to cramp more quickly than pruning all day does.
Can you imagine an 18th century sail rigger's grip?
jomoco
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Easy question to answer, pruning a huge tree CORRECTLY, is WAY MORE exhausting. However, most people do NOT know how to trim correctly and therefor answer this question WRONG.
An estimate from me on tree removal "A" might be $700. Other companies bid $600 and $800.
An estimate on proper triming of tree "A" from me might be $850. Other companies bid $200 and $250.
Why? because they are NOT trimming it correctly, therefor, not putting in the time I plan on putting into it.
- Location
- pitts pa
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
i agree . removals can go fast because you just take it down . no need to be gentle and really study to tree .
i agree . removals can go fast because you just take it down . no need to be gentle and really study to tree .
treehumper
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- Ridgefield, NJ
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
The class 1 pruning of a big tree. The physical challenge of getting around it and the mental work to assess the cuts you'll take.
Sometimes a big strategic removal can get close due to the nature of the tree and the obstacles surrounding it.
The class 1 pruning of a big tree. The physical challenge of getting around it and the mental work to assess the cuts you'll take.
Sometimes a big strategic removal can get close due to the nature of the tree and the obstacles surrounding it.
- Location
- pitts pa
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
i agree TH . i was just stating in general . i have done some nasty pin oak prunings and was wishing i was doing a removal . ........
i agree TH . i was just stating in general . i have done some nasty pin oak prunings and was wishing i was doing a removal . ........
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- under grace
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
heard that....JATG!!
heard that....JATG!!
treehumper
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- Ridgefield, NJ
Re: What\'s more physically challenging, and why?
Agreed!
Agreed!
