rfwoodvt
New member
- Location
- This side of eternity.
Been climbing on this for quite a while now just don't remember where I learned it or what it is called. Anyone have any insight?
What is this hitch?
- Thread starter rfwoodvt
- Start date
rfwoodvt
New member
- Location
- This side of eternity.
Here is how I tie it:
tomthetreeman
Participating member
- Location
- Rhode Island
That is neither a Knut nor a Michoacan, but close to both. It's basically a Michoacan without passing around the climbing line on the last wrap, which makes for a different knot altogether. I don't think there is a name for what you are tying.
-Tom
-Tom
rfwoodvt
New member
- Location
- This side of eternity.
Mebbe I get to name it then!
- Location
- Southeastern Pennsylvania
I think you should call it the Hive Hitch. (Looks like a beehive and also its the first part of Hivernant).
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
Name it bro
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
Does it self tend without the Micro Pulley like a Knut or Michoacan ?
macswan
Been here a while
- Location
- Champlain Valley, VT
Well how well does it work rick? We need an inventor description.
macswan
Been here a while
- Location
- Champlain Valley, VT
I think you learned a knut or micho. then almost forgot it and came up with this beaut.
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
Quite a while ago I read a post where someone said that a serviceable hitch could be made with innumberable wraps, turns or twists. Each configuration would have pluses or minuses and would need a name.
I go back far enough to remember learning how to tie a Blake's Hitch from a third generation fax copy. Now, instant communication. I love it!
I go back far enough to remember learning how to tie a Blake's Hitch from a third generation fax copy. Now, instant communication. I love it!
Richard Mumford-yoyoman
Been here a while
- Location
- Atlanta GA
I like how you can give the eyes a pull and snug it up just right.
Nice.
Nice.
- Location
- Long Island, New York
How well does this tend once set ? Does it slip or stick a lot ?
Also, what kind of hitch cord is this ?
What are those eye splices ?
I am anxious to hear some more details...
Michael
Also, what kind of hitch cord is this ?
What are those eye splices ?
I am anxious to hear some more details...
Michael
rfwoodvt
New member
- Location
- This side of eternity.
Lots of Questions!
OK, Marden,yours first.
Like any hitch it should be set and tested before heading up. This hitch is best suited for more supple E2E cords such most of the 12-strands (tenex, ice, etc).
Usually once set it stays put and works predictably.
If used with the hitch climber you do need to be careful about the climbing rope termination. Spliced eye is best as it won't catch the hitch at all. Anchor hitch seems to be the next safest bet. I've had very, very few slips from that termination. Bulkier terminations such as DFK, Buntline and others definitely will send you for a ride if you aren't paying attention.
If you use a knot for termination you might want to consider not using the hitch climber system.
The cord used in the pics is IceTail with self spliced double locking Brummel eyes. I use an extra long E2E with a full crossover bury of the tails.
Once was I weighed well over 250# and couldn't get enough wraps out of a standard length E2E so I started climbing on custom made 36" E2Es. I'm 185# now and just never gave up the long leash.
I have tried it with one double braid E2E I had on hand. (got it at geezers last year) It was a brand-new and a very stiff cord.
Needless to say it didn't automatically grip without manually setting it every time I stopped. On the other hand it self tended and pulley tended flawlessly.
So, with a stiffer cord, I'd have to say it was unpredictable. Perhaps with a broken in cord it might have done better.
So, Jimmy, it does self tend quite well, though I do not use it that way. I always back it with a tending pulley.
Mac, indeed it did come from my failed attempts at the knut and the mic...mih...mihk...that darned mexican-knot.
BTW, Mac, This is that silly knot I tried to show you at NEG last year! Maybe Shelter Tree will have a setup like last year and you can run the hitch for a while. If so I'll show you then. You too TTM if you are interested.
YoYo, that ability to snug or loosen is exactly what turns me on to this hitch. When was I a fatboy my hitches (Schwabish, distel, MT, VT, Blake's)were forever seizing or too loose.
That little "overhand" action on this hitch keeps everything in place also means that in most cases if you make too few or too many wraps you don't need to retie, just adjust the "snug".
Since it doesn't seem to seize, there is no need to worry about "breaking" it either.
Limbwalker, I like the description of a hive, It certainly looks like one! Even so the company name is pronounced "Eevairnon" as it comes the french word Hiver, for winter.
Anyhow, hope that answers your questions. Meantime, I'll give it a little while longer to see if someone knows whether this knot has been named before and if "knot" I'll name it!
OK, Marden,yours first.
Like any hitch it should be set and tested before heading up. This hitch is best suited for more supple E2E cords such most of the 12-strands (tenex, ice, etc).
Usually once set it stays put and works predictably.
If used with the hitch climber you do need to be careful about the climbing rope termination. Spliced eye is best as it won't catch the hitch at all. Anchor hitch seems to be the next safest bet. I've had very, very few slips from that termination. Bulkier terminations such as DFK, Buntline and others definitely will send you for a ride if you aren't paying attention.
If you use a knot for termination you might want to consider not using the hitch climber system.
The cord used in the pics is IceTail with self spliced double locking Brummel eyes. I use an extra long E2E with a full crossover bury of the tails.
Once was I weighed well over 250# and couldn't get enough wraps out of a standard length E2E so I started climbing on custom made 36" E2Es. I'm 185# now and just never gave up the long leash.
I have tried it with one double braid E2E I had on hand. (got it at geezers last year) It was a brand-new and a very stiff cord.
Needless to say it didn't automatically grip without manually setting it every time I stopped. On the other hand it self tended and pulley tended flawlessly.
So, with a stiffer cord, I'd have to say it was unpredictable. Perhaps with a broken in cord it might have done better.
So, Jimmy, it does self tend quite well, though I do not use it that way. I always back it with a tending pulley.
Mac, indeed it did come from my failed attempts at the knut and the mic...mih...mihk...that darned mexican-knot.
BTW, Mac, This is that silly knot I tried to show you at NEG last year! Maybe Shelter Tree will have a setup like last year and you can run the hitch for a while. If so I'll show you then. You too TTM if you are interested.
YoYo, that ability to snug or loosen is exactly what turns me on to this hitch. When was I a fatboy my hitches (Schwabish, distel, MT, VT, Blake's)were forever seizing or too loose.
That little "overhand" action on this hitch keeps everything in place also means that in most cases if you make too few or too many wraps you don't need to retie, just adjust the "snug".
Since it doesn't seem to seize, there is no need to worry about "breaking" it either.
Limbwalker, I like the description of a hive, It certainly looks like one! Even so the company name is pronounced "Eevairnon" as it comes the french word Hiver, for winter.
Anyhow, hope that answers your questions. Meantime, I'll give it a little while longer to see if someone knows whether this knot has been named before and if "knot" I'll name it!
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
I like self tending Knots with a pulley as well, just seems to make it tend so easy. Im gonna give that knot a try , thanks for sharing.
[ QUOTE ]
Lots of Questions!
The cord used in the pics is IceTail with self spliced double locking Brummel eyes. I use an extra long E2E with a full crossover bury of the tails.
[/ QUOTE ]
The red eye is dip?
Nice knot, I want to give it try too.
I used ice tail to climb on. It got sticky after it got settled in. I moved it to my lanyard and it works great there. Easy to self splice could make a move back to it.
Lots of Questions!
The cord used in the pics is IceTail with self spliced double locking Brummel eyes. I use an extra long E2E with a full crossover bury of the tails.
[/ QUOTE ]
The red eye is dip?
Nice knot, I want to give it try too.
I used ice tail to climb on. It got sticky after it got settled in. I moved it to my lanyard and it works great there. Easy to self splice could make a move back to it.
rfwoodvt
New member
- Location
- This side of eternity.
Adkpk, yes actually it is orange maxijacket dip. Combined with the green of the cord it comes out a bit red.
Jimmy, we going to see you at Geezers?
Jimmy, we going to see you at Geezers?
Crazy Jimmy is an OF too?
That hitch is called the "Saulë" hitch. They have been using it in Nepal for years. When did you go to Nepal Rick?
That hitch is called the "Saulë" hitch. They have been using it in Nepal for years. When did you go to Nepal Rick?
rfwoodvt
New member
- Location
- This side of eternity.
Burst my bubble
rfwoodvt
New member
- Location
- This side of eternity.
Or are you just yankin' my chain?
tomthetreeman
Participating member
- Location
- Rhode Island
Don't worry, there are 1.5 gazillion more possible combinations that can be all yours! 
-Tom
-Tom
