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- San Diego, Ca. North county
Who care's about someone's salary unless they have an agenda.
Jeff
Jeff
What is the salary range for climbers?
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When I first got to the States back in 91 I got a job as a climber making $20 per hour, seems that wage hasnt gone up much. In the early 2000s I used to make about $1500 a day with 1 helper, today I am lucky to make that per day and we probably do twice as much work due to all the equipment I have now. As has been pointed out wages have become stagnant for a long time whilst the super rich just keep getting richer. Back in 91 a gallon of diesel was way less than $1 and you could buy a case of Busch for $6. I dont think printing money will help, over here they are printing tons of money but it goes into the hands of the bankers and they are basically taxing the rest of us by devaluing our money....
I fear that the powers that be (not the presidents) are doing their best to bring all 1st world countries to their knees so they can step in and "save us" whilst taking all our true assets...
I fear that the powers that be (not the presidents) are doing their best to bring all 1st world countries to their knees so they can step in and "save us" whilst taking all our true assets...
tuttle
New member
- Location
- Somewhere in the 21st century
@pctree - your right on those points.
I am UK based, in the 90's diesel was only 55p per liter (its expensive here at £1.55per liter today)
food was cheap, beer 65p per pint (£1.85 now) cigarettes £1.10 (£7.50 now)
I dont drink alcohol or smoke, because i'm not giving my money in tax revenue to fuel the fools, I wish everyone did the same to show how they rule the people by then taxing windows.
I am UK based, in the 90's diesel was only 55p per liter (its expensive here at £1.55per liter today)
food was cheap, beer 65p per pint (£1.85 now) cigarettes £1.10 (£7.50 now)
I dont drink alcohol or smoke, because i'm not giving my money in tax revenue to fuel the fools, I wish everyone did the same to show how they rule the people by then taxing windows.
tuttle
New member
- Location
- Somewhere in the 21st century
@jeffsswede:
My agenda is the state of our economy, wealthy fools who rent property to unemployed then pay no local tax, and the local council pays the rent, so we pay more in local tax on our homes.
The poor are getting poorer, people are losing jobs everyday, while the rich are taking our country for a ride.
My vision is bigger than your mrs.jones thinking.
My agenda is the state of our economy, wealthy fools who rent property to unemployed then pay no local tax, and the local council pays the rent, so we pay more in local tax on our homes.
The poor are getting poorer, people are losing jobs everyday, while the rich are taking our country for a ride.
My vision is bigger than your mrs.jones thinking.
djm
Participating member
- Location
- Seacoast NH
Gentleman- good discussion. A couple of thoughts from the employer's perspective:
1. Certification is an indication of a certain amount of commitment to the industry. It does take a little bit of effort to pass the test. Does it guarantee that someone is a good arborist- absolutely not!
When I post job openings everybody that knows what a tree is and has seen a chainsaw applies and tells you how interested they are about learning a new trade. I look for people that have taken some initiative in progressing in the tree industry, college, cert, cdl, whatever.
2. Certification hopefully gives a common language to communicate with. Reduction cut, branch bark collar, etc. that's very important when communication.
In terms of wages different companies do different things and it depends what you want. If you want to climb the corporate leader apply to Davey, or Bartlett.
We do,a lot of training,,seminars, have new equipment, and demand high quality work. We also create an environment where people are appreciated and safe. We try to pay at the top of the pay scales for our area, and we do offer benefits, but the big companies can offer better benefits typically. I also try to pay my key people as much as I can. So they stay.
Depends on what you want. At the end of the day I didn't get into tree care for the money. You gotta find the right company that works for what you want to do.
My .02$
1. Certification is an indication of a certain amount of commitment to the industry. It does take a little bit of effort to pass the test. Does it guarantee that someone is a good arborist- absolutely not!
When I post job openings everybody that knows what a tree is and has seen a chainsaw applies and tells you how interested they are about learning a new trade. I look for people that have taken some initiative in progressing in the tree industry, college, cert, cdl, whatever.
2. Certification hopefully gives a common language to communicate with. Reduction cut, branch bark collar, etc. that's very important when communication.
In terms of wages different companies do different things and it depends what you want. If you want to climb the corporate leader apply to Davey, or Bartlett.
We do,a lot of training,,seminars, have new equipment, and demand high quality work. We also create an environment where people are appreciated and safe. We try to pay at the top of the pay scales for our area, and we do offer benefits, but the big companies can offer better benefits typically. I also try to pay my key people as much as I can. So they stay.
Depends on what you want. At the end of the day I didn't get into tree care for the money. You gotta find the right company that works for what you want to do.
My .02$
Well said, Dan. It's so hard to find good help, that a certification is a great thing to see from an employers perspective. When a smaller company is as strong as its weakest link, it's difficult to attain decent growth with a revolving door of employees that couldn't cut it. You want to grow, and invest in your employees to improve the quality of the entire workplace. Seeing that cert. can add a significant amount of comfort in making the investment.
treehumper
Carpal tunnel level member
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- Ridgefield, NJ
Every industry and every small business have the same issues when it comes to staffing. I worked as a career counselor and job search coach for many years and spoke to large and small business owners in virtually every field. All said what you are saying. The importance of an education or the evidence of such, degree, diploma, certification, is that it gives an employer some sort of standardized baseline by which to assess candidates for a given role. Trying to figure out if someone's experience has exposed them to and developed in them the knowledge required of the job is difficult at best. Did the person have 10 yrs of progressive experience building on the first yrs' learning or is it just 10 yrs of repeating that first yr? Look at all of our discussions and you can see very clearly how things have changed over time.
Markets grow and become saturated. In the beginning of a new industry there is slow growth that becomes exponential where the pie is growing and there is more demand than the existing companies can service. Over time that growth slows as the only new clients entering the market are tied to population increases and other demographics. What was happening back in the 80s and 90s can't continue. So, we must adapt to that changing market in order to compete.
Wages slip over time as the market becomes saturated and price is a key competitive feature. Wages slip further when a company doesn't advance it's services or prices aren't adjusted to inflation. Developing improved productivity through the use of more up to date techniques and labor saving devices (mini skid steer is a good eg.) thus increasing the volume of work can keep you as profitable at lower rates while increasing the overall revenues/day/week/mth. Marketing becomes more important over time as well. Better educated clients also create an added pressure to your business. Salesmanship is another factor that is lost on many in small business. And that isn't selling snake oil but better communicating your business services to the consumer such that they understand who you are and why they should buy your services.
When I lived in Toronto, the company used to shut down for the winter and leave for a winter hiatus. That was good while he was only concerned with finding a couple of groundsmen every year and did his on climbing. When I signed on it was then necessary to keep busy year round. I couldn't afford to not work or did I want to survive on EI and all the BS that accompanies an unemployment check. That's where the sales and marketing came in. We actively pursued GCs, condos, and other jobs that were better done in the winter. Even private residential jobs could be deferred to the winter if price was an issue. Ultimately, the luxury of laying low for the winter was gone. The boss still went south but I didn't have to pay for it.
What gets lost is the fact that we are running a business first and that happens to be in the tree care industry. Be a business person before you're a tree care person if you want to be successful for the long haul.
Markets grow and become saturated. In the beginning of a new industry there is slow growth that becomes exponential where the pie is growing and there is more demand than the existing companies can service. Over time that growth slows as the only new clients entering the market are tied to population increases and other demographics. What was happening back in the 80s and 90s can't continue. So, we must adapt to that changing market in order to compete.
Wages slip over time as the market becomes saturated and price is a key competitive feature. Wages slip further when a company doesn't advance it's services or prices aren't adjusted to inflation. Developing improved productivity through the use of more up to date techniques and labor saving devices (mini skid steer is a good eg.) thus increasing the volume of work can keep you as profitable at lower rates while increasing the overall revenues/day/week/mth. Marketing becomes more important over time as well. Better educated clients also create an added pressure to your business. Salesmanship is another factor that is lost on many in small business. And that isn't selling snake oil but better communicating your business services to the consumer such that they understand who you are and why they should buy your services.
When I lived in Toronto, the company used to shut down for the winter and leave for a winter hiatus. That was good while he was only concerned with finding a couple of groundsmen every year and did his on climbing. When I signed on it was then necessary to keep busy year round. I couldn't afford to not work or did I want to survive on EI and all the BS that accompanies an unemployment check. That's where the sales and marketing came in. We actively pursued GCs, condos, and other jobs that were better done in the winter. Even private residential jobs could be deferred to the winter if price was an issue. Ultimately, the luxury of laying low for the winter was gone. The boss still went south but I didn't have to pay for it.
What gets lost is the fact that we are running a business first and that happens to be in the tree care industry. Be a business person before you're a tree care person if you want to be successful for the long haul.
