Wesspur catalog cover

I'm pretty sure we covered this last year when they put their catalog out? I can't seem to find the thread, but it sure seems like deja'vu!! I do agree that this is the kind of thread that I learn a lot from, maybe thats why I remember the last one!

Looking back at my catalogs, it must have been the 2009 catalog - same thing happening there!
 
crazy jimmy posted the link to that thread earlier in this thread. I started the thread from last year too, just forgot about it i guess.
 
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Irony and deja'vu all in one thread - wierd!

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It's also the same marketing mistake.
 
Donald, the catalog pics and other stuff provide talking points or, as my climbing instructor called them, learning opportunities. The discussion that ensues opens us to possibilities for us to ponder especially in situations where we haven't had experience. Nice to learn from others experience. In the end, you now have a body of knowledge to draw upon when faced with a new situation and can make an informed decision.

I have even found myself from time to time wondering how something I was doing would be received on the buzz if a pic or video of it were posted.

Checks and balances....
 
Good post Rob. We all could fail a real critique from time to time. I know I would. I look at some photos and techniques I used to use and shake my head. Things change and we progress.

That article I wrote on is topic was originally written in 1997! You think I still do the exact same things as I did then? Heck no. Still like the ideas though more choices and variations are out ther now a days.
 
Well Mark, I think it is safe to assume you are what we would call an industry leader/educator/teacher. I couldn't help but notice your avatar pic is right in line with this discussion. How are you attached to that spar? What was your thinking that led you to making that particular tie in choice?

The whole reason I brought this up was just to get a discussion rolling about all the options. The catalogs we see now a days are almost published like text book literature. The sherrill catalog is a prime example. The pages are filled with diagrams, explanations, knot tieing instructions, and all manner of techniques. They are like the abridged version of the tree climbers companion. A newer climber might see something in the catalog and get into trouble at work if they know no other option and use what they saw the guy or gal in the catalog using. The discussion is just meant to broaden the knowledge on the subject. I know how I will work down a spar, because I have done it with every combination of tie in, I know what I am comfortable with and feel safest with.

And I am very mad I am not on the cover. One day...One day
 
Phil, I respectfully disagree with the location you wish everyone to put their tip's on a spar. I have had my bacon saved at least once I can remember in the last 3 or 4 years by putting my lanyard and climbing line below the rigging sling (but in a location the block would not chop them). We had been rigging a tree down (actually my avatar tree) and switched rope men when we finished the brush (to give everyone a chance to work the rope). The new rigging man wasn't used to the device and the wraps needed, and shook me right off the spar. Luckily the sling had rolled down under the load and pinched my lanyard and rope to the spar, (i believe saving my bacon). Also, this positioning keeps my life support ropes farther away from a running chainsaw (I trust my saw handling skills but it only takes a split second).
When all is said and done, we each make our own decisions that are based on our knowledge, skills and experiences. Each of our climbing systems is our own and it has advantages that we each think is worthwhile. When others may think we are nuts. I won't say either method is "wrong" each has its advantages and disadvantages. I don't think we should be bashing these individuals (wespur guy and mark) for their choice as there is not standard saying "your TIP's shall be above..." or below. It is up to the climber's discretion.
 
This is true. We all have variations in climbing styles and you should use what you are comfortable with. I'm not one to bash an individual, perhaps the method, but that is two different things. It really comes down to your experience I guess. There have been responses so far that supported both above and below. So I guess we will have to label this issue as a buyer beware.
 
The whole respectfully disagreeing with me part was a nice touch by the way. took all the confrontational wind out of my sails.

I have a buddy with basically the same story you do about a tree top ride. He had sciatic nerve damage and his legs would quit working and he would collapse every now and then while walking. Took him about 6 months to heal. 100' pine trees, not being able to see down to the ground guy running rope, and working with non English speaking workers is tough.
 
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Donald, the catalog pics and other stuff provide talking points or, as my climbing instructor called them, learning opportunities. The discussion that ensues opens us to possibilities for us to ponder especially in situations where we haven't had experience. Nice to learn from others experience. In the end, you now have a body of knowledge to draw upon when faced with a new situation and can make an informed decision.

I have even found myself from time to time wondering how something I was doing would be received on the buzz if a pic or video of it were posted.

Checks and balances....

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I agree. I enjoy reading this kinda stuff too since you can learn from it. It also seems like in the arborist world, you can never know enough.
 
I find it rather funny that you guys are worried about where the cover models line is tied into, but you have nothing to say about page 4. The picture in that Samson ad shows a guy in a bucket, with no apparent harness or belt, no apparent TIP, wearing no hardhat, and clearly rigging down the tree.

This same photo was the cover shot to the last Utility Arborist Association magazine. Now thats a disgrace! Isn't Samson one of the biggest sponsors of Arbormaster? They should know proper safety standards.
 
Hey Phil,

Are you picking a fight with me?

Just kidding. My point wasn't directed to you, but it was just another angle of what couldve happened. That shot might not have been planned to be used as it was and the climber might have been a little less precise with line placement because of it. He also may not even use the same methods at all by now, who knows right?

I am glad that you brought this up here because it gives us all a chance to look at others choices and compare them against our own. My choice
Usually is to tie in with both above because of those same reasons I wrote about 14 years ago. That said, this debate has come up many times through the years and I still don't believe that we have a right or wrong decision based on the votes.

One thing I would say is whatever you decide, make sure that you are secured to the trunk with an escape route in place! That is the main idea. I would also recommend, if you choose to tie in one above and one below the rigging point, I think the lanyard should be kept above so that you do not get pinched and kept from being able to descend in an emergency. The idea here is that you can still un clip the lanyard and rappel on a single line even if the line gets pinched. Again, that is my personal opinion on the matter.
 
HAHA...i don't pick fights Mark, I just win em. I didn't mean to put you on the spot, but your pic was too dead on with this discussion so I had to ask. And as always you answered very precise and diplomatically. Good points.
 
What???
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Nobody said they invented the "tie in above/below the block," no charges of in/out of the box, and nobody charging others with various degrees of professionalism?
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Such a tone..."IMO"..."respectfully"...I guess all I can do with this post is learn something...
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