Trimming White Pines

chris_girard

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Gilmanton, N.H.
Hey Guys,
I've got 2 white pines that someone wants trimmed but they are not very big, probably 70' tall and 16-18" DBH, and the branches are not very thick.

My question is what do you guys consider a min. dia. thickness for setting a cimb line in for white pines?

I've done a full tree inspection, and they are both very healthy.

The owner actually does not mind if I were to use my spikes in them but I told that I do not do that for trim jobs.
 
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Chris, no spikes and no worries! I would climb to 6' from the top in a healthy pine. Noi lateral movement means very little horizontal pull, too! Climb them the right way and tie in at the top.

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Mark, What fo you mean about the lateral movement. If I understand, in my experience a 70' popsickle stick pone with a 16 dbh trunk leaves me feeling like I have been on the ocean all day from the constant swing. I hate those friggin stick pines!
 
This is off topic here (sorry) but arborcare1
every time i see your avatar icon i feel like puking..there is just something about it. /forum/images/graemlins/smilie_barf.gif and chris, i hope your rope stays at least somewhat sap free.
 
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This is off topic here (sorry) but arborcare1
every time i see your avatar icon i feel like puking..there is just something about it. /forum/images/graemlins/smilie_barf.gif and chris, i hope your rope stays at least somewhat sap free.

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What's wrong with Beavis and Butthead?
aaf_whatthehell.gif
 
No no, i'm not offended at all, MB, beavis and butthead are icons and resposible for partially raising at least half of my generation (kinda scary but whatever). Its just the chainsaw on the finger part. Every time i see it i flinch a little. There is nothing wrong with it, i was just saying.
 
Have you had a nasty cut Phil?


Diameter wise, it depends. The main benifit of a high TIP is it allows you to move around easier. 3" is my "limit" but it just depends. I am a bigger fellow, weighin in at 240 plus gear nearly 260.


One option is to tie in at say 6", then have a redirect higher up. With pullies the friction wont be that bad and if the top were to break out you would have a safety. Only down side is it doubles the load when your hanging near the spar, however you can use this to your advantage if your mainly working on one side of the tree. By deflecting the rope an equal angle on the other side of your TIP your weight will still at most double your load on the anchor, but it will offset the leverage from limbwalks on the opposing side of the tree.
 
thank God, no I haven't had a cut, and hopefully I never will. The whole concept of it though can be enough to keep you up at night (i.e. after seeing it in a movie or reading about it) especially since you work with them every day.
 
Doesnt bother me at all, Texas Chainsaw Masacre showed a saw that cut through a monkey wrench, not likely it would have enough teeth to cut through his leg afterwards!

Fixating on anything will eat you alive.
 
I love to picnic under White Pines and listen to them but I choose to camp elsewhere. Not many trees I know of have less lateral integrity. I'm sure most everyone reading this is my superior in a tree, but six feet from the top seems pushing it to me.
 
Mark is far superior to me in the tree and elsewhere, for me its more of a size/structure thing. Of the relatively few trees that I have worked down/on here is an example of one of the few situations where I would within 6' of the top for my primary TIP:

BiddyMagnolia.jpg


TopOut.jpg


Cuttingchunkhangingfrombasket.jpg


/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forum/images/graemlins/laughabove.gif /forum/images/graemlins/lewser.gif
 
Just in case anyone has ever wondered what I was talking about when I described image size and quality values, well, these last three are perfect examples. See what can be done in about 100KB?

Thanks for the great validation!
 
I thought I was getting a lashing for those. All 3 could be made to be around half there original size.

Its a good thing, most all my picts on my online albulm are this size and they are a PAIN to adjust.

Good deal /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Hey Guys,
I've got 2 white pines that someone wants trimmed but they are not very big, probably 70' tall and 16-18" DBH, and the branches are not very thick.

My question is what do you guys consider a min. dia. thickness for setting a cimb line in for white pines?


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Chris,
White pines can often be climbed like a ladder with no need to set a rope from the ground. Always stay tied in using your climbing rope and a lanyard or two lanyards.

When you get as high as you want to go tie in with your climbing rope. One point I have not seen mentioned so far in this thread is that<font color="red"> you should place your climbing rope around the trunk......not just over a limb. </font> By having your rope around the trunk if the smaller limb should fail your climbing rope is still around the trunk. White pines have a very weak limbs compared to most trees.

Dan
 
Here's a quick repeat of something I've said before.

Fetch the appropriate package from http://imagemagick.org and follow the installation instructions.

You'll not get the displayer which can do just about everything with images if you're running Windows. For you it'll be just a displayer. For everyone(?) else it'll interface with all the manipulation routines via point-n-click. But don't fret over it because the best way to use this stuff is with the command prompt anyway.

Open a command prompt window (enter "cmd" in the "Run" dialog box). In the shiny new window enter the command:

cd \path\to\wherever\your\images\are

(Can't help you with just exactly where they might be; holler if you can't find them. There are a few things to know about manipulating the working directory for the prompt. Holler if you don't know them but need to.)

I think there is "tab completion" at the "cmd" prompt, so once you start to type the path you should be able to hit the tab key to get the steps automatically completed as you go. Just try it and you'll see what I mean.

When you're there with the images, enter the command:

mkdir shareables

("shareables" being an example directory name) and it'll create a new directory where you'll be dropping the modified copies.

Then enter the command:

for %i in (*.jpg) do convert -quality 75 -resize 60% %i shareables\%i

(should be all one line, and "shareables" represents the actual directory name you just made above)

I'm pretty sure that's the right syntax for (yes, it's) DOS, if not let me know and I'll research it. At any rate, what should happen is every image in the directory will be manipulated as per the options to "convert" and the results will be placed in the new directory. It will all happen quicker than you think. It will leave the originals unmolested. If you've given the image files names with spaces in them, you might have to enclose with quotes the %i parameters to the convert command

... convert ... "%i" shareables\"%i"

I'm not entirely sure about that either. I don't spend many nanoseconds in Windows and I don't use spaces in file/directory names because they're so inconvenient to use later.

This stuff is quite easy once you get the hang of it. I personally feel it's easier to learn than the menu-navigating/manipulating graphical method of "computing". It may seem archaic or inconvenient but like a Ferrari F40 which may be low on creature comforts, well, just try to keep up with it on the road coarse in your Lincoln Town Car.

:)

A series of commands can be saved to a text file and named whatever.BAT and invoked just like any other executable in Windows, so you could do that once and never have to type them at the prompt. But the Windows command prompt (and its batch files) is absolutely medieval compared to some of the (interactive) "shells" on other systems. The number of options available to "convert" is almost mind-boggling. Enter "convert -help" at the prompt to see an overview. This is powerful stuff but it's not impossible or even terribly difficult to use apart from the possible option paralysis. Once you try this sort of stuff a few times you'll come to understand just how useful computers can actually be!

Well, maybe this wasn't such a quick (small) post after all...

Holler if you're interested and need a hand. I'll do like your dad did when he pushed you those first few times on your bicycle. And I'll grin just as proudly when you take off and leave me standing there.

Later,
Glen
 
The problem with resizing my online albulm is they are uploaded and working on them requires reloading. I only have around 500 pics on there but at this connection speed it wouldnt be fun, plus you can upload (at a single time) a max of 20 pics I think.

Still pouring over what your saying trying to know it before I do it /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif Thanks
 

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