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Notch Talon hand saw leg mountis a FAILure.
Rubber straps are weak and broke.
thought I would give you guys a chance. Feel like a sucker
 

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I have to admit I stopped wearing mine after 3 months - I just couldn't get used to my rope dangling where I draw my handsaw.

I keep my handsaw near where I keep my chainsaw as my muscle memory keeps ass my life support away from that storage area.


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I switched to the leg mount before this but found the Sugoi scabbard has doing a number on my knee and having the saw hang off my belt always left it awkward to put away on many extended limb walks.

I like it. That it's a new product with some bugs that have come out with regular field use is no surprise. Mike at ST took care of it right away. That makes the difference in who I deal with. Now if the product continues to have issues then I'll give it a failing grade.

I've had issues with my Scafell Lites within the first 4 mths which Shelter Tree Products addressed by replacing them. My Arborwear canopy jacket bought at the Expo as well had an issue with the sleeve closure strap. Arborwear sent me a new one after I notified them with merely a picture attached to an email.

That's what I expect of retailers, distributors, manufacturers and their reps. Prompt customer service without a tangle of red tape.
 
Not even a month old. The rubber that failed is the back bone of the Talon. P.o.s. And a waist of time. Considering they have known a about for a long time. They are still selling them with the bad rubber? If so dishonest stuff going on once again:fuckyou:
 
So please take into consideration I am merely talking about the product, not the seller/distributor. I have worn mine every day since I got it. I like it a lot although I had to force myself to get used to it. So When I first put a saw in it, the rubber broke but it was usable so I gave it a try. I liked it so They replaced the rubber and a velcro strap that separated. I've had absolutely no issues what so ever since. It's a champ and I have beat on it a bit. The scabbard I use has dents in it from the beating. With the improved rubber I think it's awesome. I had a silky leg saw years ago and hated it with a passion. I really like the talon.

My Bonner bag has a Velcro and clip issue. I plan on sending it back for repair. It gets a ton of use. I'm not surprised. My Courant gear bag had the Velcro separate, the compartment on the top fall apart and various other little issues. I resewed the Velcro with whipping twine. Looks like shit but I have too much stuff packed into it and it gets tossed in and out of trucks all day. Something's gonna break. Shit falls apart from use. Nothing is bomb proof with the exception of the rope shield throw device. Even by saws get little issues here and there. So my point is, no matter how you feel about Sherrill or Treestuff, the product stands on its own. I wasn't gonna throw the baby out with the bath water until I felt they had a chance to prove themselves on the product. It works for me. Just me, that's all I can speak for.
 
New product and it's had some bugs that were worked out. Would you say the same of Arborwear? The canopy jacket problem I had was a known issue. Was it every one of them that had the problem or does that mean that there was a batch that were bad? This is where the customer service comes into play. How does the manufacturer or retailer deal with a problem? Thus far, I have no complaints on that level. There are products that I won't buy because of the issues but will still deal with the company because of how well they managed the problem.
 
I have never heard of Treestuff. There's far too many posts here to read, but I read some and it's obvious Treestuff.com is a well loved company. But I have been doing business with Sherrill for over ten years. Their catalogs alone provide an ongoing education, from everything to the latest knots, gear, techniques, tech specs... you name it. I actually scan their illustrations, charts, etc. and keep a digital reference library of their fantastic tips.

I buy only top-quality, recognized brands from Sherrill. My PPE hardware is exclusively Petzl, DMM, Kong, with maybe some ISC thrown in here and there. Lines always the big 3, New England (now Teufelberger?), Sampson and Yale. Saddles I never buy online. Have to actually know the comfort.

But the latest "spring circular" from Sherril, or whatever it was called, publication that landed on my doorstep was full of stuff I never heard of. Stein. Notch. Camp. WTF?!? Three no-name brands coming out of the woodwork? And yeah, I'm a total non-trusting skeptic, so I'm thinking it's all the SAME company, just triple branded to increase the illusion of "choice". The way Ricoh copiers make Lanier, Gestetner, Savin... all the same s__t.

So just saying, Stein Notch and Camp????? Sorry, I don't shop for PPE with the same casual curiosity as I do when I take home a new organic black bean hummus from the store. I don't know the man personally, but I'm thinking Denny M. Moorhouse would rather die than cheapen anything about his line of tree and rock gear. Stein Notch and Camp? Don't know! And the logos and branding of all three are cheap, cookie cutter, unimaginative. Not like YALE with the roped whale or Samson, struggling to overcome the lion. I admit this is a gut reaction but I have a pretty intuitive gut.

I emailed Sherrill about this very thing, and received NO response. Which is unusual because besides info@, I have a direct address to an employee and he always used to get back to me, within a few hours, a day at most.

I certainly hope everything I read about TreeStuff, keeping their business separate, running it like it always was... remains true. In my experience very few companies that get "absorbed" actually can say that. After a few years it's down hill. And Sherrill continues to carry the quality brands with which I am comfortable and familiar, so that's very cool.

But someone said in a post "I hope WesSpur is ready for the business..." Ha ha! When I saw Stein Notch and Camp, first thing I thought of was Wes Spur!
 
Hello MikoDel!

Thank you for the post and review of our recent mini catalog. We appreciate your business!

I can assure you that Stein, Camp and Notch are not the same company. Notch IS the brand for the products we make and distribute. We went with a separate brand name because our competitors showed interest in our products, but obviously didn't want the Sherrill name in their catalogs and on their websites.

I'm sorry you're not a fan of the Notch logo. That is something I worked on and am pretty proud of. I will agree that it is very simple (although I'd prefer the word "clean"), but that's due to the necessity of the logo to be imprinted very small on smaller gear.

I'm sorry your direct contact didn't get back to you. Please feel free to message me any time. Always happy to help however I can.

Thanks!

-Sean
 
Sean, can you post a download link to the latest ST catalogue. Still no change to the broken link on the website.... sigh.

Thanks in advance.
 
MikoDel said:
I have never heard of Treestuff. There's far too many posts here to read, but I read some and it's obvious Treestuff.com is a well loved company. But I have been doing business with Sherrill for over ten years. Their catalogs alone provide an ongoing education, from everything to the latest knots, gear, techniques, tech specs... you name it. I actually scan their illustrations, charts, etc. and keep a digital reference library of their fantastic tips.

I buy only top-quality, recognized brands from Sherrill. My PPE hardware is exclusively Petzl, DMM, Kong, with maybe some ISC thrown in here and there. Lines always the big 3, New England (now Teufelberger?), Sampson and Yale. Saddles I never buy online. Have to actually know the comfort.

But the latest "spring circular" from Sherril, or whatever it was called, publication that landed on my doorstep was full of stuff I never heard of. Stein. Notch. Camp. WTF?!? Three no-name brands coming out of the woodwork? And yeah, I'm a total non-trusting skeptic, so I'm thinking it's all the SAME company, just triple branded to increase the illusion of "choice". The way Ricoh copiers make Lanier, Gestetner, Savin... all the same s__t.

So just saying, Stein Notch and Camp????? Sorry, I don't shop for PPE with the same casual curiosity as I do when I take home a new organic black bean hummus from the store. I don't know the man personally, but I'm thinking Denny M. Moorhouse would rather die than cheapen anything about his line of tree and rock gear. Stein Notch and Camp? Don't know! And the logos and branding of all three are cheap, cookie cutter, unimaginative. Not like YALE with the roped whale or Samson, struggling to overcome the lion. I admit this is a gut reaction but I have a pretty intuitive gut.

I emailed Sherrill about this very thing, and received NO response. Which is unusual because besides info@, I have a direct address to an employee and he always used to get back to me, within a few hours, a day at most.

I certainly hope everything I read about TreeStuff, keeping their business separate, running it like it always was... remains true. In my experience very few companies that get "absorbed" actually can say that. After a few years it's down hill. And Sherrill continues to carry the quality brands with which I am comfortable and familiar, so that's very cool.

But someone said in a post "I hope WesSpur is ready for the business..." Ha ha! When I saw Stein Notch and Camp, first thing I thought of was Wes Spur!
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My take on "Notch" is that like many companies who explore expanding into manufacturing (or having shit made for them) or re-branding is they create a separate business entity. This happens frequently when there is a increase of liability. Part of this is why "in house" or custom spliced/sewn products are re branded. If a splice fails, the "company" that did the splicing is the one that goes bankrupt, not the parent corp.

The thing that I first noticed with Sherrill is that they take advantage when they see it. If a invention, or product hasn't reached the patenting phase it's often done so by the above. Much like the drama that went down with the buckingham friction saver.

I see Sherrill actively trying to create a monopoly by dominating the market or becoming the exclusive distributor of silky and the such. The very few orders I placed took forever to even be processed, then it was wrong, and the reception was so rude I choose to eat the costs. These things combined, made me to spend my money elsewhere. Wesspur doesn't have the selection but has sustained the mom and pop vibe. It's just a straight up small crew filling orders, keeping most items listed in stock, and shipping the same or next day. No cheap gimmicks, just straight up solid. There was a time when orders would be messed up, wrong sizes, or some such. It was always made right, and kept humble without going over the top. Fair is Fair and we all make mistakes. It's been this way for the decade plus I've been in the field, straight up human.
 
Notch brand stuff has seemed sub par. Friend of mine won another handsaw nd upon receiving it, it immediately slipped right out of the scabbard because it doesn't click into place at all or have much of a quality scabbard. Cut him across the fingers literally within seconds of having it. Whenever you turn it upside the thing slips right out.

But it looks nice.......
 
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