treeMotion Wear-n-Tear

Guys,

this is getting ridiculous. It's a bit like saying "I hear treeMOTION is responsible for global warming". Let's keep this in perspective.

FlashTreetop,

try reading Chris' whole post and you will find – towards the end – the solution:

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Hutch, you asked about 'replacement parts'. In the next few weeks, the adjustable link in the upper webbing slot of the Front D hardware will be a replaceable part. Both leg loops will be replaceable too. In effect, because the bridge can also be renewed, the whole of the front of the harness will be end-user-replaceable.

Chris

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There are two approaches towards achieving longevity, the first it to go heavyweight. Lots of material will mean – amongst other things – higher tolerance towards abrasion.

Higher tolerance doesn't mean there zero abrasion, mind you. The down-side? More weight (duh), the webbing doesn't run as smoothly through the hardware etc.

The other approach is to go lightweight. Besides the treeMOTION, Petzl took this approach with the Sequoia, or Edelrid with the TreeMagic. If you take this route, you're not compromising on safety, but wear can be more apparent. Instead of incorporating lots of material to counter this, you offer replacement parts.

Like brake pads on a bike. When they wear down, you get new ones to replace the old ones. You could also make huge brake pads that won't need replacing in the lifetime of the bike. But that wouldn't make sense, because you replace worn parts. Does that mean the whole brake is dangerous? Of course not!

When you wear out a friction hitch cord you replace it. You don't use a one inch line to get a longer life out of the cord...

Both routes have their merits and validity, in the end it's up to the end-user to make the choice.

Please try not to oversimplify the matter.

If you don't like to route we took – and the philosophy behind it, well there's good news: You don't have to buy the harness.

Regards, Mark.
 
I already bought the harness thats the issue.I have excessive wear on my leg straps-heavy glazing and slight fraying,ripping tearing however you would like it termed.Regardless if the webbing is suppose to fray it has.So at this point I need a solution please.So please offer me a solution.Do I need to purchase new leg straps,great how do I do that and how much.I know the dollar is alot stronger and Germany is in a Recession so maybe it want be and arm and a leg.I have had numerous saddles worn 5 times as much with less wear.But I dont care I love the tree motion,its the most comfortable and user friendly.Its the best bar none and I have had them all.My point is I know by the the name "tree Motion" theres more motion thus more wear-thats cool but please tell how do I get it fixed apart from buying a new harness.
 
Well, sitting on the fence here as much as a TM owner/fan can..! I can only observe that a few very literate and seemingly fairly experienced arbs have what is fair to say, 'concerns' which could, or have, developed into complaints or worse, but which are probably softened from the fact they (the complainants) know (knew in some cases) that the TM is such a comfortable and dynamic harness.
I think that the response to these respectful and understandable paramount concerns raised will set the standard for how the Treemagineers field such feed back and respond to and deal with their quality control and the evolution of their brand.
I personally climb pretty hard on my TM and its fairing excellently, and as a medical benchmark, my trips to my osteopath have all but stopped since using this harness whereas I routinely went bi-weekly before its use.
It must be very frustrating for these guys who, after all, are like us (fellow tree climbers and fu*"@ing good ones) see their 'baby' criticised and falter in some areas, but lets just remember, they are trying to help us!!
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Guys,

this is getting ridiculous. It's a bit like saying "I hear treeMOTION is responsible for global warming". Let's keep this in perspective.



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I'm sorry, I couldn't help saying that I heard about the testicle thing only because I know the guy personally who lost the teste to the saddle.

NO offense meant.



I'm sure many makes of saddles are capable of deflowering a guy.


SZ
 
Jimmy

I just spoke to Mark. He’s retiring to bed after a heavy day dismantling a large and very dead poplar, so I hope it’s ok if I respond to your questions?

Many thanks for the positive comments about the daily function of your treeMOTION. We recognize the legitimate comments about the webbing abrasion on your harness. I am going to try to answer your questions in such a way that it is clear to all individuals how to proceed with questions about any of our products…….

I have to start with the general comment that anyone with a safety question about a PPE product should talk to the manufacturer - directly to the manufacturer, not via an internet forum. I make this comment with reference to issues that I have encountered during my contracting life, not in relation to Treemagineers products. Many manufacturers will not respond in public at all. In fact many manufacturers will not respond, no matter what you do! Forums are a blunt tool for solving this type of issue. Direct, open, constructive communication is the way to help products and the industry move forward.

There are a number of possible responses to a question such as Jimmy’s. As stated in my previous post, the manufacturer has (where appropriate) exchanged harnesses following discussion with end users. At some point, detail has to enter the discussion. Date of purchase and images may be relevant information. As a precaution, it may be necessary to stop using the harness (quarantine) until an action has been decided upon. A replacement part may be issued depending on the period of time the harness has been in service.

Jimmy, can I ask you to give us some detail about the webbing abrasion? I have sent a PM with our contact details.

Chris
 
The TM is a great saddle, and I'll be glad to buy some replacement webbing when the time comes.


EZ,
It is true that the TM might make a grab or two at your junk, but less than most harnesses. I have experienced this attempted nut thievery myself, but was able to divert the TM's unsolicited advances.

Sorry I missed last weekend.
 
Mark B,
Easyphloem's statement is true. I do not blame the saddle. It could've happened in any saddle. It just happened that the TM was what I was wearing. I didn't have the leg strap adjustment right I guess and I was suspended in it for a duration of time and the leg strap slide up on me and cut off the circulation.

I have noticed some of the glazing like everyone else but I love my TM and I am gonna shy away from it for a while and try to figure out what exactly happened and try to work out the adjustment issues but I love the saddle and the guys who designed it did an excellent job.
 
easyphloem,

I only made that connection after I had posted. No offence taken.

PUClimber,

thanks for the feedback. I was very sorry to read about your accident! Get well soon.

Regards, Mark.
 
i loved my TM while i used it but only got to use it a couple of days a week for four months, before some one suggested i take a look at the leg loop webbing, to my amazment it had started to fray.
What i was seeing the green Ds have a sharp edge that wears the webbing.
i will defenitly use the TM again when some one comes up with an easy to access replacement part.
 
hey Mark B, get a grip. There has been no real solution given, Other than "in the next few months it will be replacable." Big Deal, not a real solution, come up with a real one.
Besides that the TreeMotion is a testicle taker. HAHAHA!

Derrick Hulsey
 
I have an early model TM. The webbing attaching to the leg-loops did wear prematurley, and after a brief chat (supplimented with a couple of pictures) it was returned to the supplier, then the place of manufacture.

They replaced the webbing and the lower "D" rings, and returned it. The supplier was even kind enough to lend me a model in the interim. I am a fan of the harness and this has been fortified by the respose of the manufacturer in dealing with a problem. Need I say more?
 
Mark, I thought that what ez said at the bottom of one of the first pages was a joke aimed at the treemotion, because I did not thoroughly read the entire thread. Sorry and I do mean that sincerely.

Mark, pull your head out of your [bad word]. I didnt see you bending ez over the whipping post for his comment. The only reason you are f'ing with me is because maybe I disagree with you.
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I didnt see you bending ez over the whipping post for his comment.

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That's because I never let anyone take pictures of my bare behind, especially when it is being whipped over a post.


There are facts, and there are opinions. Try to keep the opinions that you air on a positive note.

The fact that the TM took one of PUclimber's family jewels is a fact, and is not funny in any way.


Although I don't believe a joke can go too far.


SZ
 
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