training a new climber

Dave;

That's true, but they are used for Z-rigs and hauling systems. I was referring specifically to the micro-pulley that is used to advance the climbing hitch and is attached to the same carabiner as the climbing hitch. Bob Thrun, an experienced caver/author/researcher, told me that the first such setup he saw was on an arborist's climbing saddle.

Do you have references for an earlier use of a micro-pulley in caving, rock climbing or rescue? If so can you post them or send them to me? I would be interested to see them.

Thanks.

Mahk
 
Congratulations Chad! I think personally that in the art of tree climbing being asked to train means you have reached the top.

Training for recreation and for work are two totally seperate catagories in my opinion. When I put on the kids climb at the WCTCC making it as easy, fun, SAFE, & encouraging as possible was the goal. (By the way watch out for Greg's boy he is almost better than me already) This is true of any recreational climbing situation were you do not expect the climber to be out on there own.

When it comes to training pros, I want someone that can look back on there first times when they get into a harry situation and say "I got through that challenge I can get through this, let me just think about it". Personally, I felt cheated by some of my teachers not showing me some of what they thought was outdated. My excitement in tree work did not come from it being easy, but the fact that I could do it. I would be very surprised if any of you said you got into this business because it was easier.

In the end learning is up to the student, we can only present the information and hopefully, if we are lucky shape there perspective and attitude to help create another great open minded, progressive, and forever learning arborist.

I hope with all of this talk about training a new climber, especially all the detail about knots, that you all agree with this point. Emphasize the need to know your knots before you climb. Honestly I think all you guys are assuming this, but I don't think it is said enough.

In the end, getting a production climber quickly is good for the owner, not the student. I will close this with a saying that a good old time climber Dave Vreeland taught me. "Learn it right the first time, it only gets harder the second, third. . ."

just a thought

p.s. I start them with a 2/2 with a figure eight tail, a butt strap saddle with no floating d-ring, a flip line tied the old fashioned way (Don't know the name?), and a handsaw. No snaps at all!
 
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