topped tree - finish the job or let it resprout?

Re: topped tree - finish the job or let it resprou

Man, thats alot to follow up with:

Lets see, we probably can't replant and keep the tree (at least not in the same spot) because the tree is in a small "island" in the parking lot. but there is plenty of space for tons of other trees.

I haven't read the tree ordinance in its entirety (my bad), but basically in my experience the replacement orders are given to you & you have a provided list of trees to choose from. In the end though, any ordinance is going to rely upon the UF's that enforce policy & they have some authority to choose & interpret - as they should.

The city didn't screw up, the church did. but my point was that a topped tree in a high-vis. area is like a neon sign of bad tree care. The fact that the tree was in a city managed "zone" & to be pruned under the written guidance of the city - this makes the city look bad, like they screwed up thier management. Especially to the UF in charge. Now that the tree has been topped, and after my talk with the UF in charge - it seemed to me that the main reason the tree is to be removed is to "get rid of the evidence". Although that was never specifically stated - why else would they give a Jan. 31 due date for the tree to be removed? (obviously they have to give a due date, but it adds to my suspicion that it is so quick).
My frustration is that the tree can regrow, but the authorities are disallowing the possibility - so an "ugly tree" (the UF's words) will be removed.

I would say without question that a freshly topped tree is safer than a natural canopy - see Ed Gilman's research. The question is, can you manage a topped tree with future good pruning & have a safe tree? I say yes you can - certainly it calls for more care, but as an Arborist, thats what I do for trees.

And yes I would tell a client about the "high maintenance" tree that is created by topping. But I would say that you have a choice. In the case of Jeffs tree, the city is making the choice & it may be the right one for them. I just wanted to see what other folks thought - and would they consider choosing differently.

By the way, I gave my bid for removal & we will probably get the job in the next few days. I would rather the tree stay, regrow & hit the church in the wallet every three years til eternity - but it ain't up to me.
 
Re: topped tree - finish the job or let it resprou

one more answer;
I haven't communicated with the city folks about the wording, but it looks like as I continue in my profession that that I am going to be faced with this type of issue more and more. But again, there are rules to follow, but trees don't necessarily follow rules we make. Hey, maybe we should have a Tree Tax, and make everyone that much more financially aware of the benefits trees provide us. even ugly ones.
 
Re: topped tree - finish the job or let it resprou

I finally got around to taking some photos of the crown rejuvenated pin oaks I'd mentioned earlier. The original topping was around 2001. I pruned them in the summer of 2007. They are all pin oaks with a 20"-24" dbh and around 45'-50' tall.

I believe that with another two prunings spaced 2 to 3 years apart that the trees will have regained most of their original form.

Oakwood
 
Re: topped tree - finish the job or let it resprou

Sorry all. New to the attachment bit. I'll have to work that out. I was under the impression I'd be taken to a screen where I could select 'attachment'. Bare with me while I investigate.

Oakwood
 
Re: topped tree - finish the job or let it resprou

I hate to give an opinion specifically about saving the tree or not without seeing it, however, we never like to give up on a tree (especially a longer lived species that takes so long to mature). We have seen them be restored with miraculous results. It does sound like the whole situation has many factors going; site, etc.

I WOULD however (if I were the City Arborist and/or you) make as BIG OF A STINK about this as possible. Pictures on the front page, flyers, calls, speeches whatever possible. Even if removed, if removed quietly, the message will have been sent that it is ok to do this, just plant a new tree and no problem! Not Good! This happens all too frequently because of lack of awareness and lack of consequences.

It seems like an endless road but it is as important of a portion of our jobs as arborists to educate the public as much as it is to do quality work.

S Mc
 
Re: topped tree - finish the job or let it resprou

The problem is the city. It began with the church going cheap with little regard for the outcome. THEN the city having dropped the ball because it is a city managed tree rules that it be cut down.

In the end it is one of the problems we face. Dealing with cost conscious clients and bureaucratic forestry departments who are judged by many and use the ordinances and ANSI as their justification.

It reminds me of an adage, "The operation was a success but, the patient died"
 
Re: topped tree - finish the job or let it resprou

I would agree with the removal. If the tree declines and the church doesn't act you put people in danger. High traffic area. It would also put the city at risk if they did not monitor the tree.
 
Re: topped tree - finish the job or let it resprou

This was the exact attitude of the city & the one that I took most issue with.
Heres why: You are assuming that the church will be negligent in its management of the tree & that the tree will be a danger because of that in the future. The city assumes that the tree will be a "high maintenance" tree & will take more of thier time & tax dollars to oversee. So this very pessimistic attitude assumes that the tree is not important & not worth much time and effort.
This exact attitude of assuming the worst in people & placing small value on trees is a poor management practice - thats why I say BOOOoooo! to the city on this one.
We shouldn't make legislation that is based upon assuming the worst in people, nor should policy belittle the value of trees.
 
Re: topped tree - finish the job or let it resprou

It does seem to me that a topped tree only becomes dangerous if it is left unmanaged. By topping a tree you make it extremely high maintanance. There are plenty of topped trees that have been guided back into being safe and actractive trees. It all depends on the tree.
 
Re: topped tree - finish the job or let it resprou

Then it comes down to which trees to deem unsafe due to topping. How many other trees have been topped? Do they remove them all? If that was the case in Bergen County, NJ then there would be no street trees on many roads.

You may be fighting an uphill battle. Check out the Boulder, Co. study. they have an exhaustive list of the benefits in hard terms of urban trees. http://www.coloradotrees.org/benefits.htm

Direct Dollars saved for the city means greater motivation to make the investment in urban forest management. (ROI)
 

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