Tips for training a new climber

You say that like it's a bad thing. And it's primadonna. ;)


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I made it clear I had no intention of being a groundworker and I acted like a primadonna from day one. I got up in the trees because thats where I wanted to be and I let it be known. granted, I have hauled a lot of brush around the way.
 
Why is it that you need the climber to be a ground man first, because than when he excels at his position he’ll be a tree climber? Give me a break. This isn’t 1979 anymore, things have changed, what do you want a tree climber or a ground man? On one hand you’re saying tree climbers have to be educated stiffs with all the “anazi” standards and on the old school don’t do it like that you are saying you have to learn the ground work first. What? If A guy will go up there and do it, why waste your time having him /her chip and drag brush. Runners are runners, let them fly. Don’t be a hypocrite!
 
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Good point. The birds will find a way out of the cage, but climbers that only climb are still half way.

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I wish you would join my forum so I could ban your silly a$$. The mods here may fear you but I would strike you down in an instant. STFU punk and go back to dragging the brush you love to drag.


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From Tom:
Comments like this don't belong in this thread. If you have a personal issue get a hotel for yourselves and handle it in private.

Butch, you've been told in public and private to call issues like this to Mark's and my attention rather than keeping the mudfight going.

If you don't like Mark's and my editorial stance there is any easy solution...don't post.
 
If you can get away with only climbing, it means your smart and have figured out how to avoid it. More power to you in my opinion. I wish I could get away from humping logs and raking.

The closest I have come is sub-contracting where the tree companies want to get rid of me and my hourly rate as quickly as possible. It balances out though because sub-contract climbing can be crazy.
 
Top rope rock climbing (in my opinion) doesn't help a new climber. Use those ropes and lanyards, don't climb like they are not there. On the other hand RD, you are very close to the Red River Gorge.
 
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Top rope rock climbing (in my opinion) doesn't help a new climber. Use those ropes and lanyards, don't climb like they are not there. On the other hand RD, you are very close to the Red River Gorge.

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Agreed, I rock climbed long before getting in the trees, only things that carried over comfort at hights, strength, and very limited knot knowledge.
 
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Top rope rock climbing (in my opinion) doesn't help a new climber. Use those ropes and lanyards, don't climb like they are not there. On the other hand RD, you are very close to the Red River Gorge.

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Agreed, I rock climbed long before getting in the trees, only things that carried over comfort at hights, strength, and very limited knot knowledge.

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Hmmm.

I was thinkin' it made it easy to climb trees...Every rock climber I know is ripper in the tree.

Can't say as much for the other tree dudes I know, but hey, I'm from CA...
 
what's a "ripper" and how many rock climbers (that you know) made the transition to tree climbing. I know "NoBivy" climbs rocks. He's a great tree climber. What's CA got to do with it?
 
"Ripper" is real good.

I know a few rock/tree climbers.

CA is a trip, you get to see a whole bunch of BS out here.

I learned to fine tune balance when I was rock climbing.

Climbing out on ends is the way I prune, I dont cut out the interior stuff, mostly end cuts.

Alot of times I dont want to tie in to what I'm standing on, need to balance.

I see alot of climbers strip trees out, I think alot of times it's a lack of climbing skill rather than knowing the proper cut.
 
I Rock climb some, and I am a not very goood,by any strech. I felt it helped out with strength and no fear of heights. about it. They(rock &amp; tree) are really in no way related. in rock it is all about strength and strategy. No one really leans into their rope for positioning or uses a flipline. I know lots of tree climbers that have never rock climbed and are "rippers." Safe and very fast, they fly through a tree.
Also, rock climbers are not very afraid of falling, because most have done it(fell). Except for slipping off of a limb and swinging, I have never "fell". So this could play into it somehow.
 
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Also, rock climbers are not very afraid of falling, because most have done it(fell). Except for slipping off of a limb and swinging, I have never "fell". So this could play into it somehow.

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I'm very afraid of falling...it keeps me around, I got stuff to do tomorrow.

I guess it's because I use a low TIP sometimes, I dont tie high, too many damaged trees...
 
I started climbing rocks way before getting in the trees, and it helped me tremendously. I feel I couldn't do some of the things I do without my rockclimbing experience and background.

Even though the differences of climbing the rope in treework and using the rope for fall protection in rockclimbing; I still think that during any particular work climb we use many rock climbing based movements, like: stemming, layback, mantles, heel and toe hooks, toing in on stubs, lockoffs, deadpoints, gaston, dynos (not so much:)), and balance and body tension while aloft.

"Climbing out on the ends" is a good point too. It takes alot of skill and ability to be able to prune like that sometimes. I feel in my area there only only a few guys who can climb like that. Not only do you need the ability, but you also need to care about what you're doing enough. Otherwise, I guess you just cut what you can reach.
 
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