throwing 20" diameter pine top, over 22'

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What was that last bit Matt Butler said there about "left handed chainsaw use"? Never heard that one before?!?


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Think you may have missed the point, he was talking about homeowners and trainee arborists thinking left handed use is safe.

I know experienced saw users will use the saw left handed in awkward situations up in the tree or on the ground to get a better position to cut or whatever. But you wouldn't give a chainsaw to a novice and say, 'there you go, go and cut with the saw left handed, see how that works for you'

The reason you wouldn't do this is that its fairly likely the novice user would end up with a bar and chain splitting their skull wide open or a severed limb with blood spurting out of main arteries.

Its not rocket science.
 
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I'm pretty sure Murph makes it very clear in all his videos that these aren't basic techniques for the unskilled operator. While I could write many sentences on his choice of venue to display his techniques/experiments I can without a doubt glean useful information from his vids. He ain't exactly humble but I've yet to meet a good tree man that is.
 
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we neeed to get to a place where we simply decide for the client what the safest practical technique is for the application. We do not put ourselves or our teamates in harms way .... it simply is not worth it!!
 
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That was cool, my favorite part is where he charms the mans wife and next shot she is smiling with her shirt open. After that he could of drove his truck over those hedges and she wouldn't have cared. Nice little experiment though. We all try questionable practices at times I can't say that I would share them with the world but as I look back at some of the foolish things I have pulled off in the past I can't say that I wouldn't love to share them with the right company and laugh my off at myself and remind myself how lucky I am to be alive. Good for him for sharing now I don't have to try it myself, but I was thinking of jumping some primaries though, hedges are so 1980's.
 
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I still want to know about the 180 degree back leaner hickory that Daniel was boasting about. No video? Didn't go as planned?

As has been stated above, my concern is people watching this stuff and deciding its acceptable and "safe".
 
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The cut worked. Can’t argue that, its right there on “why TV”. I watched it one time, with the serious hope that the director would finally place something on treebuzz that is worth my time. Didn’t happen. I mean if you really want to demonstrate to people how to remove a hazardous tree, would that be even an option ? Sure, if there were no others . Were there other options , safer options , Better options? , yeah . This was clearly no different than a stunt motorcycle person jumping over school buses in a Vegas parking lot. Clearly for entertainment and to test one’s self . Did you ever see a Stunt bike guy get off his bike during the stunt? Either did I, that’s the difference.
Mother Nature crushed that tree with no regard for the hedge, and the hedge survived. The main part of the hazard for the tree was already laying on the ground. Here comes a man, with a plan. Create another hazard. Create a hazard so that you can make a video, than show it to the world. Is the glass half full or empty. Below are my problems with what I watched ……
- Says he has two Bucket trucks
- Dropped the remaining logs inside the hedge
- Floating block (cheech n chong voice… whoa dude , did you see that ? no man pass it )
- True Blue power yanking with a truck , but it’s ok cause it’s new true blue
- Got out of the tree
- Went up the tree
- Bore cut , plunge cut step cut ( yawn ) dude man like whoa , that’s so cool
- Got out of the tree ( wear sneakers, helps when you’re running away )
- After running out of the tree, jumps in the truck and steps on it, changes his mind, but steps on it again. He’s outta here.
- Had the re direct tied to a chipper truck ( whoa man , but we had to make the block float dude,oh yeah man )
- Such a big cut an 020 was used
- Privet hedge ( hey man , like those things are rare dude)
- Got out of the tree ( dude man , cough cough , scary up there , don’t put it out)
- I bet the radio in the pickup cruising away , had the song….( know that cocaine song) white line , well this one was( sing it -- White pine , ….go my way , twice as sweet as sugar twice as fine as wine , I cut that wedge to miss that Hedge , now I’m doing fine , freebase , doo dodo do doodoo yeah…step cut dodo do do dododo do step on it YEAH…) yo dude that songs awesome man. See that tree fly over that hedge to that floating block ? nah man , missed it , you kidding me ? no man , you missed it , lets go back
- Want more?
Momma always said don’t play with fire, or you’re going to get burned. Keep making those videos, somebody’s got to be that guy . Tag.
(That was the civil reply, for you TD)
 
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I still want to know about the 180 degree back leaner hickory that Daniel was boasting about. No video? Didn't go as planned?

As has been stated above, my concern is people watching this stuff and deciding its acceptable and "safe".

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How old are you Zale??? You act like an impatient child, wants his way... right now..

By that and the "johny put the stick down or you'll put someone's eye out mentality", bet your 25 or under...

Don't you worry, I'll post up that hickory vid, when the time comes.. Had a window of dry weather this summer, but that's gone now.. tree's not hurting anything where it is. Its in a low lying area on the far side of a lot of lawn. I'd like to do it when the leaves are down anyhow, for the hollywood effect of course. Be patient.

And give people some credit.. I wouldn't still be in this business if I hadn't seen people like Mark Chisholm and John Grier, climb and rig trees.. Once I saw that, the light bulb went off.. there was a whole new world of possibilities.. But I didn't go out the next day and try to footlock and rig 1,000 lb bits.. IT was a process.. took some time..

Like I said in the video.. I like to show people what's possible.. They are going to have enough sense to apply what they can to their game in a safe and reasonable way, or leave it alone..
 
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for real , last post was just to get you roused . Site unseen and video seen , that tree was cash money . Straight up no problem removal with a bucket , or crane . Easy job , no time to sleep on it , or invent a situation , just a straight up job . 1, 2 , 3 ... if there wasn't youtube or a computer to the world , would you have done the tree like that ?
 
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I wouldn't still be in this business if I hadn't seen people like Mark Chisholm and John Grier, climb and rig trees.. Once I saw that, the light bulb went off..

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I now hate you Mark and John. Because of you, this guy is still cutting trees. Jeeeze!
 
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for real , last post was just to get you roused . Site unseen and video seen , that tree was cash money . Straight up no problem removal with a bucket , or crane . Easy job , no time to sleep on it , or invent a situation , just a straight up job . 1, 2 , 3 ... if there wasn't youtube or a computer to the world , would you have done the tree like that ?

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Probably.. though if the 75'er had been available I woudl have used it.. the 55' wasn't going to work.. though it doesn't look like it on video, that pine stick measured out to 80'.. center mount 55' wouldn't do much from 17' away, outside the hedge.. Getting right up under the tree would have been a problem.. especially with all that rain, and the surface roots of the surrounding trees. Even with the mats, there would be soil comapction and nasty looking damage to the surface roots. NOt that I haven;t ever driven over surface roots, BUT I wouldn't do that to this customer..

And even if the bucket got right up next to the tree, it was still too short to rig what would then need to be big pieces off a tree that couldn't be trusted. That could have gotten ugly fast...

Looked at the tree Friday night after work. It was down Saturday morning. Getting a crane op I could trust wasn't going to be easy, nor was matting the crane across that lawn..

IN the end, I liked my way... It was a challenge. It worked, pretty near perfectly.. That is where I get my kicks.. the video is just icing on the cake. And I learned a valuable lesson.

Sometimes I'll bid a job a little lower than normal if I think it will make a good video, but I don't often stage work for the camera. Many days that camera has sat in the truck while there was some really fun shots getting missed, becasue I don't let video get in the way of the work..

And tell me you didn't really mean that about the saw being too small for that one cut??? PLEASE!
 
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Looked at the tree Friday night after work. It was down Saturday morning. Getting a crane op I could trust wasn't going to be easy, nor was matting the crane across that lawn..

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Don't you mean a crane op that would trust you?!
 
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That tree didnt look like it couldnt wait a few days to get a "good" crane op. No need to do it the next day.
 
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I still want to know about the 180 degree back leaner hickory that Daniel was boasting about. No video? Didn't go as planned?

As has been stated above, my concern is people watching this stuff and deciding its acceptable and "safe".

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How old are you Zale??? You act like an impatient child, wants his way... right now..

By that and the "johny put the stick down or you'll put someone's eye out mentality", bet your 25 or under...

Don't you worry, I'll post up that hickory vid, when the time comes.. Had a window of dry weather this summer, but that's gone now.. tree's not hurting anything where it is. Its in a low lying area on the far side of a lot of lawn. I'd like to do it when the leaves are down anyhow, for the hollywood effect of course. Be patient.

And give people some credit.. I wouldn't still be in this business if I hadn't seen people like Mark Chisholm and John Grier, climb and rig trees.. Once I saw that, the light bulb went off.. there was a whole new world of possibilities.. But I didn't go out the next day and try to footlock and rig 1,000 lb bits.. IT was a process.. took some time..

Like I said in the video.. I like to show people what's possible.. They are going to have enough sense to apply what they can to their game in a safe and reasonable way, or leave it alone..

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Daniel- I wish I was 25 again. If you wait long enough, the hickory will be on the ground. Please keep posting. Your videos make me laugh.
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I am making myself a promise...

I will never watch another of his videos again.

Now to go find the "ignore" button.
 
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"gonna make a liar out of you eric! "


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Takes a liar to make a liar . ( don't fret Eric)

I could care less if you used an 020 or an 088 , that autistic video made me wanna go to kmart ( gotta go ). Keep buying film , I'm sure thre are more old homeowners out there who are willing to let you film your "instructional" videos . Can't wait for the next one . Perfect , no climber in the tree( only in the sissy time) and no ground men . Y? tv at it's best .
 
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