Throw ball vs Progress climb?

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RopeShield

RopeShield

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What are you experiencing daily, weekly, monthly or yearly?
How much time do you lose or gain? What gets sacrificed?
Jams and snags keepin you down?
How far are you flyin?

Anything else you care to share.

The throwline is the issue for me. Throwline sticking in or to soft bark trees like White Pine, Silver maple and Tilia and rough bark trees like Gleditsia and Hickory.

How about quick connects and disconnects. Easily part lines so there is no more needless wear and tear to unretrievable. Micro Quick links at every 40feet or so. What do you think? Many short lines instead of one long continuous line.

I have a 16 and 40' ladder. The only time they get used is when I have a roof to access.
The math tells me it just isn't worth the effort. Faster to throw and climb a rope. Agree or disagre, what are you experiencing?
Thanks in advance for sharing your highs and lows!
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For years I have always said "Become a Master at the Throw Ball" I still say it today! I feel the throw ball will be safer and the more you practice the better you will get, there will always be those days here and there you just dont GOT it the norm. There are a few different set ups that can seriously help depending on your throwing style. eliminating tangles and knowing when you just untie that ball from the start and start over, is well worth some of the alternative outcomes! Organized and Clean set up to fold it all away helps stay precise! Good luck. Work Safe!
 
Ladders are not to be trusted. Mostly I just use orchard ladders when shearing tall hedges (a much despised exercize). I've made it thru the last two years without setting foot on an extension ladder.
 
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I agree. For me it is how big the tree is. I can't see using a throw ball in a 30 foot honey locust. Set up a ladder and get to the top. It all depends on how open the shot is if I am going to use throw ball. I have a decent shot but won't throw if a ladder can get me to the top in a few easy steps.
 
Throwballs are my goto tool for access. I try to get the highest TIP possible with that. However, sometimes the tree, wind or environment makes that impossible so if I don't get it within a few shots I'll find a lower TIP and go progressive.

We used to use ladders, and as TomD said, gotta have that groundie remove it once you are in the tree. We found that the hassle of the ladder outweighed the benefits of having it. We also found them to be THE most dangerous peice of equipment on the truck thus banishing it to the shop.Just my 2 pennies worth...

I do know a lot of folks who wouldn't be caught dead without thier ladders. Nothing wrong with that especially since they have not run into any injuries or close calls.

Each of us has a strenght and I guess ladders ain't mine!
 
I use a ladder to get into a nasty pin oak and then ALT climb from there. If I can see the top and know I can get a high TIP from the ground than by all means, throwball.

On trees like small Red Maples with lots of branches though; no ladder, no throwline, just start climbing.
 
I like the throw ball. Rarely do I get my final TIP, so I normaly advance the rope by throwing. I dont trust ladders, and rarely use them. If I am having a bad throwing day, I catch something low and work up from there. Many of the my smaller trees I just work up from the ground.
 
Damn those untrustworthy ladders, the boogie men of the tree industry. Never, ever take your eye off them, the second your back is turned they'll creep up behind you and club you with a log.
Let me get this strait, we don't trust an inanimate tool that we've been trained to use and have set up ourselves? Hmmmm, could this be the same people who work at height, hanging from at most a half inch of rope full of knots? But please by all means, fear the engineered structure used in countless industries.
 
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...other industries that don't have to worry about putting a straight rung onto a round, moving support!

Even telecom has ladders designed specifically for thier partiular supports.

But perhaps the frequency and severity of injuries associated with ladders and trees has been over exaggerated.

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GET A bigshot, a cube, 2 16 oz weights, and the thinest throw line made, i hit 70feet where ever i want. in three or four shots, sometimes one shot, i had to start buying 150' climbling lines(the big shot increased the height of my TIP's ) and still i find my self looking for a ladder, just to tie in to my rope that im about to foot lock. ya, thats right, two pieces; til i get to the top,, I TIE INTO MY UNBACKED UP KONG> DUALCENDERS AND FOOT LOOK 60+ft i dont know who came up with the idea of the bigshot, but,... i cant climb without it!!
 
I have declared myself as the worlds worst throwballer. The big shot certainly helps a lot and haven't used ladders much since then. Ladders are the scariest aspect of the industry for me, especially hedge shearing with orchard ladders. I am unsure how those things are legal. Throwballs certainly have their place, untying the ball after every throw with a slippery figure 8 will save stress from getting them stuck. If I could only find a way to get the guys to put them away without stuffing the tail end into the cube..thats another thread all together
 
Who lets others put their throwline away!! The horror!!

I use whatever gets me to the final TIP the fastest. Many times that is ALT, sometimes that is an extension or orchard ladder.

Throwline and I got off to a rocky start, but I gave her a second chance and haven't looked back.

Oh, and why are yall so afraid of ladders? They are great tools, just not so forgiving. Sometimes I think we need a 'Ladder Specialist' certification.
 
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HA! we were at an ArborMaster training yesterday and one of the guys coiled Ken Palmers throwline for him. The next time he threw... RATS NEST!
 
Climbers take ladders up Everest so they are a useful tool. On those trees unsafe to lean a bicycle againt some can have their tops accessed with almost balancing on the ladder. Fun stuff.
 
Ladders definitely have their place, though I prefer not to use them much myself.

On the other hand, I have sometimes daydreamed about a short length of ladder with a hook on the end, especially after seeing this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgXprRCPlnc

Might be useful once in a while, but probably not too often. I could probably find a few uses, but I spend more time dealing with industrial rope access than I do trees.

Just did a bit of searching, the type of ladder is called a Pompier ladder, and used to be commonly used by fire departments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQKHc6xgk5o . Sheesh, yet another toy/tool I want.


Boreality, it's pretty rare for a ladder to actually be used as a ladder while mountain climbing. They're mostly used to bridge crevasses. Something about vertical progress with a ladder being cheating, lol. I guess that's part of the difference between work and sport.
 
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