This is the Akimbo

JMerritt said:
We tried to orient the gate so that you can lean back without disengagement but how well that works is going to vary a lot based on where your chest clip is located and how long your bridge is etc.
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I use the abr HUT in winter in order to layer my clothing. I wonder if the bungee is no go for that clip in spot as it might turn into a bit of a projectile when leaning back or sitting back into system quickly
 
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I hate to be "that guy", but my employer won't allow life supporting items that aren't CE Cert., hence my restraint in buying a Unicorn thus far.

To clear up all the conjecture regarding certification, can we get, or is it indeed possible to get a straight answer regarding the ifs or whens of certification, and the possibility of the retrospectivity of said to the current first production run.

I ask purely out of selfish motive: I can't afford one, so I definitely can't afford to have to buy another later if the first run doesn't gain CE. That said, if the first will be covered retrospectively, then maybe I can squeeze one out of Santa.
 
Joshua Gorman said:
I hate to be "that guy", but my employer won't allow life supporting items that aren't CE Cert., hence my restraint in buying a Unicorn thus far.

To clear up all the conjecture regarding certification, can we get, or is it indeed possible to get a straight answer regarding the ifs or whens of certification, and the possibility of the retrospectivity of said to the current first production run.

I ask purely out of selfish motive: I can't afford one, so I definitely can't afford to have to buy another later if the first run doesn't gain CE. That said, if the first will be covered retrospectively, then maybe I can squeeze one out of Santa.
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Message Jaime himself

As for CE certification, I forget which pants brand it was but they mentioned that CE certification costs around $50,000 all in. so I understand why many manufacturers are reticent to invest
 
CanadianStan said:
Message Jaime himself

As for CE certification, I forget which pants brand it was but they mentioned that CE certification costs around $50,000 all in. so I understand why many manufacturers are reticent to invest
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As do I, and I don't have the manufacturing experience to know if it would really open that many more doors in sales terms, but I do know that it's a question a lot of people would like to know the answer to.
 
Joshua Gorman said:
As do I, and I don't have the manufacturing experience to know if it would really open that many more doors in sales terms, but I do know that it's a question a lot of people would like to know the answer to.
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Well if you can’t buy one and you can’t use one at work until it’s certified I wouldn’t fret much over it.
I think most of the EU guys that want to use one, will for the most part be using it regardless of the legality.

I’m sure Jaime and RE will let us know when (or if) the CE mark will pan out. They’re working on it atm

Fun fact of the day: the BC (Canada) safety regulations for climbing arborists still mandates the use of spurs as required safety equipment. 99% of the industry is climbing illegally.
This is due to WSBC simply throwing in climbing arborists with loggers since it’s “pretty much the same thing” in their eyes.
 
Joshua Gorman said:
I hate to be "that guy", but my employer won't allow life supporting items that aren't CE Cert., hence my restraint in buying a Unicorn thus far.

To clear up all the conjecture regarding certification, can we get, or is it indeed possible to get a straight answer regarding the ifs or whens of certification, and the possibility of the retrospectivity of said to the current first production run.

I ask purely out of selfish motive: I can't afford one, so I definitely can't afford to have to buy another later if the first run doesn't gain CE. That said, if the first will be covered retrospectively, then maybe I can squeeze one out of Santa.
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This. So much. Please. Getting desperate here.
 
I hate to be the heart breaker, but I'm just going to assume that a ce certification cannot be given retroactively as it needs to be marked on the device. Kind of like the rope wrench, not all of them are ce approved, only the ones sold in the ce approved kits and are marked on them. Doesn't matter if they are the same thing or not. There are of course more variables in the rope wrench usage, but in the end without the mark it just doesn't 'comply.'
 
I don't think I am gonna be able to do any climbing or tree work until I have a new shiny blue, CE certified Akimbo. January? Yes, No? Sure hope they hurry the fuck up?
 
rico said:
I don't think I am gonna be able to do any climbing or tree work until I have a new shiny blue, CE certified Akimbo. January? Yes, No? Sure hope they hurry the fuck up?
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Word from TCIA conference is CE is in progress, this release will allow those not under the CE gear restriction to make hay, CE probable on the next release. One thing at a time, look at how long it took the ZK-2 Rope Wrench to be allowed for competition use in the U.S., and then to get a CE cert. It's a blink of the eye considering the revolutionary developments in devices and technique over the last ten years. Life keeps getting better for tree climbers.
-AJ
 
Joshua Gorman said:
I hate to be "that guy", but my employer won't allow life supporting items that aren't CE Cert., hence my restraint in buying a Unicorn thus far.

To clear up all the conjecture regarding certification, can we get, or is it indeed possible to get a straight answer regarding the ifs or whens of certification, and the possibility of the retrospectivity of said to the current first production run.

I ask purely out of selfish motive: I can't afford one, so I definitely can't afford to have to buy another later if the first run doesn't gain CE. That said, if the first will be covered retrospectively, then maybe I can squeeze one out of Santa.
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Hey Joshua, this is a big question on a lot of people’s minds. First and foremost RE is definitely and seriously pursuing CE cert. one of the major hurdles has been simply figuring out what standard should it be tested to? There is no clear standard for a device like the Akimbo. Look closely at the standards that the zigzag was certified under and you’ll see that it is a mishmash and some of it makes little sense. CE is not retroactive to any units manufactured without marks, unfortunately.
 
From what I understand, the Zig zag only has a manufacturering CE. It is certified to meet proper manufacturing standards rather than actual usage.
 
moss said:
Word from TCIA conference is CE is in progress, this release will allow those not under the CE gear restriction to make hay, CE probable on the next release. One thing at a time, look at how long it took the ZK-2 Rope Wrench to be allowed for competition use in the U.S., and then to get a CE cert. It's a blink of the eye considering the revolutionary developments in devices and technique over the last ten years. Life keeps getting better for tree climbers.
-AJ
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My post was intended to be more of a sarcastic comment on all of the salivating legions of future Akimbo owners, than a comment on Rock Exotica.
I completely agree thats life is rapidly getting better for tree-men, but truly life changing products are few and far between. I am sure the Akimbo will be an amazing device for many, but I for one don't believe it will fall into the "life changing" category. The craftsman makes the tool great, not the opposite. Just a little perspective.
 
JMerritt said:
I’ve been joking for a long time that we should put a disclaimer on the Akimbo: “caution, the Akimbo will not make you a better climber!”
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I have no doubt that the Akimbo has the potential to make some folks "better" in small but noticeable ways, but making us all super climbers is probably not gonna happen.
For the record, I am a huge fan of RE. I wish you guys much luck with the Akimbo, as it looks like one sexy, kickass tool!
 
JeffGu said:
FAKE NEWS!
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Ah ha ha!

I should've been more clear, the Akimbo looks to be a great advancement, the revolution was to make single rope techniques a go to for tree workers, everyone knows that but I wanted to try and put it in perspective in the face of CE agonies, Tautline, Blakes, split-tail, now ZK-2 and its mechanical descendants, bodies will last longer, climbers can be more efficient. Nothing has changed about becoming a good climber, since Adam and Eve as far as I can tell.
-AJ
 
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