I am always baffled by the idea that bonsai is some kind of pruning style for normal trees. Bonsai is a plant in a container that is meant to limit it size by limiting its root area. Pruning on bonsai is to create the look of a full size tree in nature. There are many styles within the art of bonsai, cascading, broom, root over rock etc. These are to replicate forms found in nature. IMO pruning a full sized tree to look bonsai makes no sense.
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Mick Dempsey
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Let me try and make sense of it for you.
What if the client wants to keep the tree, but wants it smaller as it takes light from the garden, shades the roof too much causing moss and leaves in the gutters.
So you reduce it and the client is happy.
Then in a few years it gets too big again and you reduce it again and the client is happy again.
Does that make sense? Happy client, tree retained.
I need no clarifaction on what bonsai is. Your response here has nothing to do with bonsai. You are describing crown reduction not bonsai 2 different subjects, does that make sense?
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You were using Bonsai as an equivalency to crown reduction.
A ridiculous comparison.
I can see why you spend so much time baffled by things.
A ridiculous comparison.
I can see why you spend so much time baffled by things.
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They could add reducing trees to this list.
Actually I was doing the opposite, bonsai and crown reduction are not the same, that was the point. FYI, your keyboard insults do not reflect well on your opinion, please try and refrain.
Furthermore, my comments on bonsai were in response to the op referring to bonsai as some kind of pruning style. I was giving a defination of bonsai not making an equivalency to crown reduction.
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They could add reducing trees to this list.
No one is saying that reductions can’t be made.
Trying to understand your argument. Are you saying trees can be cut back indiscriminately as long as the client is happy?
I thought there were many progressive ordinances in place in countries in EU such as Germany, where cuts of a certain size are prohibited. America is, in comparison, the Wild West. Indiscriminate chopping and unintelligent hackery abounds. Every day on my drive to town I pass by the handiwork of such clowns. The trees look terrible and are more hazardous and unhealthy than they would be if the clowns hadn’t thought it would be a great idea to get into tree work. No forethought. Thinking is a powerful tool, Mr. Demosey. If I were to be accused of overthinking a pruning job, I know I’m on the right track. I work on trees that are 5x my lifetime. What’s an extra half hour of my life to spend a little more time on a pruning project?
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well just like @FreeFallin father used to say: if it's not burr oak, don't fix it. I'm still not sure what that means... 
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Is this a loaded question where you inserted "indiscriminantly"?
Was "indiscriminantly" used previously in this thread.
Just checking for open minds.
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I’m countering the idea that Americans are ‘overthinking’ reductions...
Indiscriminate pruning would be, in my mind, aka not overthinking. I guess I should have used the term underthinking. Or not thinking.
I mean of course it was a loaded question on my part. I get emotional about what humans decide to do with trees. It’s why I do what I do.
Indiscriminate in my mind is shaping. Where you draw a line and cut with no regards for laterals or proper reduction standards as in shearing a hedge. Shaping, not a term I would use discussing tree pruning. At disneyland they shape trees like Mickey mouse, stars, balls etc.
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Please counter with meaningful, clear thoughts.
I do great work without getting riled up. Not getting emotional is often necessary for quality of work.
If I have someone working on me, I want them calm, cool and collected. I had a problem result from a doctor who was ranting, mid-procedure, about the broken medical system.
Being emotional in a debate is unavoidable, but counterproductive: some would say its trolling to insert a word into someone else's phrase in an inflammatory way and ask if that is what they mean.
Check this out: Mick, I have an question for you. I'm open-minded to the answer. Can you please elaborate on your position about your work with specifics, your experiences with response-growth, etc?
Is shaping a technical word like heading, thinning, pollarding?
Rounding things over is not pruning.
Sometimes there is an aesthetically undesirable limb here or there. Sometimes it blocks a view. These might be considered "shaping" (customer verbiage) through removal, reduction, weighing-down limbs (I have lots of customers with Puget Sound views that don't want to see their neighbor, so I make the trees as aesthetically pleasing and healthy as possible, while meeting their desires for privacy, view, aestetics) etc.
I often wonder how often people who preach don't actually own any trees.
Every one of these trees has been 'shaped' by some definition. Many through plain branch-collar limb removal.
The funny shaped (healthy AF) trees are about 2.5' thick by 15' wide, giving me visual and wind screening for my firepit/ tent pad, while preserving some of the view from my living room. Customer is happy. Trees are happy.
I do great work without getting riled up. Not getting emotional is often necessary for quality of work.
If I have someone working on me, I want them calm, cool and collected. I had a problem result from a doctor who was ranting, mid-procedure, about the broken medical system.
Being emotional in a debate is unavoidable, but counterproductive: some would say its trolling to insert a word into someone else's phrase in an inflammatory way and ask if that is what they mean.
Check this out: Mick, I have an question for you. I'm open-minded to the answer. Can you please elaborate on your position about your work with specifics, your experiences with response-growth, etc?
Is shaping a technical word like heading, thinning, pollarding?
Rounding things over is not pruning.
Sometimes there is an aesthetically undesirable limb here or there. Sometimes it blocks a view. These might be considered "shaping" (customer verbiage) through removal, reduction, weighing-down limbs (I have lots of customers with Puget Sound views that don't want to see their neighbor, so I make the trees as aesthetically pleasing and healthy as possible, while meeting their desires for privacy, view, aestetics) etc.
I often wonder how often people who preach don't actually own any trees.
Every one of these trees has been 'shaped' by some definition. Many through plain branch-collar limb removal.
The funny shaped (healthy AF) trees are about 2.5' thick by 15' wide, giving me visual and wind screening for my firepit/ tent pad, while preserving some of the view from my living room. Customer is happy. Trees are happy.
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southsoundtree
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If you baffled by uneducated people asserting nonsensical, uninformed ideas, you must be baffled a lot.
I don't think that a full-sized tree ever gets treated as a bonsai, to my knowledge.
Once, I was flossing and though I somehow snagged a crown and resulted in pain, possibly a loose crown. I asked my dentist. He kindly said my snagging with the floss was not the cause of the need for a root canal. Through modern science, my root canal was done lickety split, the next day, in an hour or less.
I still get the questions of where am I going to fall that 100' tall tree in 30' of space.
Lots of people lack basic sense understanding of the universe, earth, physics, etc.
Lots of people don't understand that basically everything is an electrical insulator and an electrical conductor. Copper has electrical resistance, just little. Paper has electrical conductivity, just little.
Some people think 4wd helps with braking and make ice driving reasonable without traction tires.
Some people think the earth is 6000 years old and flat.
People will never stop saying nonsensical things so long as we are not Vulcans.
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I think it’s a bit like the World Series of Baseball in that respect.
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I always try. Thought I did.
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I have typos and text drop outs, especially when distracted, sick, and/ or tired (all 3 ATM). Absolutely true. @mick can vouch, right?
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Sean, I will address your questions later, it’s Friday night and I’m on the sauce.
Hope that’s ok.
Hope that’s ok.
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