Tapering the cover on a Double Braid Splice

chris_girard

chris_girard

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I was just reading where the US Coast Guard splicing manual says that you can optionally choose to taper the cover before burying it in the core and crossover.

This is the first time that I've heard this. I thought that tapering the cover was mandatory. If the cover isn't tapered wouldn't it be nearly impossible to 'run the splice home' at the finish?
 
I think this is just a misunderstanding. From what you posted, they are saying you can taper the cover before you bury it in the core. Where as in say the Samson manual, it says to bury the cover in the core first, and then taper it. Either way the cover gets tapered I think.
 
Once the splice is done, should it be lock stitched in some way? No where in the samson directions does it mention this.
I might have spliced it wrong, but i can still pull my eye out with a little work, not super hard to do. I was just thinking that it should be locked some-way.
 
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Once the splice is done, should it be lock stitched in some way?

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Not that I know of. Some whip it for looks.
 
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Lockstitch every splice.

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Why do they come from the manufacture without lock stich?? Do they have or do something that not calls for this??? Or is this an aftermarket thing from the splicing schools???
 
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Lockstitch every splice.

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Why do they come from the manufacture without lock stich?? Do they have or do something that not calls for this??? Or is this an aftermarket thing from the splicing schools???

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I second that question. How would you learn how to lock stitch? Any videos anywhere.
 
Good lock stitching doesn't show. It's there, you just can't see it.

It's stupidly simple, just pass some twine or yarn through the diameter of the rope several times to lock all the pieces together and keep them from shifting. You insert the needle close to wherever it exits but angle it differently with each pass. If you use a yarn from the rope, it won't be remotely evident.

Never been to a splicing course but splices should be lockstitched, that's a no brainer... unless you just want to fix'em every so often when they back out and get rumply.
 
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Good lock stitching doesn't show. It's there, you just can't see it.

It's stupidly simple, just pass some twine or yarn through the diameter of the rope several times to lock all the pieces together and keep them from shifting. You insert the needle close to wherever it exits but angle it differently with each pass. If you use a yarn from the rope, it won't be remotely evident.

Never been to a splicing course but splices should be lockstitched, that's a no brainer... unless you just want to fix'em every so often when they back out and get rumply.

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That's just the way that I learned it to from Brion Toss. All my double braid eye splices are "invisibly" locked stitched using a yarn from the cover that is pulled out while making the splice. Looks a lot cleaner that way too.

The thing about the lock stitch is it's only meant for a small load anyways. Once a working load is put on it, the friction inside the splice between the core and cover is what gives you the strength, not the lock stitch.
 
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Lockstitch every splice.

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Absolutely!
Lock stitch every splice.
I've seen double braid, hollow braid and 16 strand splices completely come out after the whipping came apart. Hasn't been the case when a splice is lock stitched.

Inspect your gear before each use....
 
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Samson is selling splices that aren't lock stitched. It seems sketchy to me, but I've definitely seen them. Anyone know whats up with that?

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I have no idea, it's such a quick, simple procedure I don't see what the benefit of skipping it is. Do they actually SAY the splices aren't lock stitched?
 
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Samson is selling splices that aren't lock stitched. It seems sketchy to me, but I've definitely seen them. Anyone know whats up with that?

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I have no idea, it's such a quick, simple procedure I don't see what the benefit of skipping it is. Do they actually SAY the splices aren't lock stitched?

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from what I understand, yes.
 
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I just did a quick search and couldn't find anything about it. Got a link or something? I'm curious.

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No links. I've seen some ropes around without stitching or whipping and asked ...what's that all about? Same answer every time, that's how Samson is doing it now. It was always velocity though.
 
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I just did a quick search and couldn't find anything about it. Got a link or something? I'm curious.

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No links. I've seen some ropes around without stitching or whipping and asked ...what's that all about? Same answer every time, that's how Samson is doing it now. It was always velocity though.

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I have been climbing on velocity for 4 years. With the most recent rope purchased 6 months ago, and all have been lock stitched. Are you sure they came from the factory that way? I know many small dealers in rope will purchase it on a spool and then have a local splicer splice it for them. I believe that's how George does it at Shelter Tree. But even he would have it locked stitched!!!!! Weird that's for sure.
 
My last velocity was not stitched, came from man that way. sealed bag with sampson stamp on it.?????? Maybe it's just stitched on the inside?????

Maybe thats why it was cheap????
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