Tachyon- Black vs. Orange
- Thread starter Leroy
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- Location
- rhode island
I've noticed subtle differences between all color schemes. The way it was described to me is that the different color dyes affect the rope because of slight differences in the way the molecules bond. Or something like that.
- Location
- St. Paul, MN
All Tachyon is manufactured by New England Ropes in Fall River, MA.
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
Ive never noticed any difference and have used multiple coler schemes.
i think maybe orange is the orginal an other colours are made for differnt companys exp arbormaster saddles bye buckingham there differnt colours than the sherrill tree arbor master saddles
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
There might be some validity to this observation.
After hearing many climbers say that Poison Ivy in green/black was different than its original weave...is it Blaze??? I can't recall.
After talking with the rope engineers I found that died ropes have different strengths. Because of that more or less fibers were used for each pic. This leads to a tiny difference in total rope diameter. A bigger difference is a slight difference in surface texture. Think of the varieties of corduroy fabric in pants.
After hearing many climbers say that Poison Ivy in green/black was different than its original weave...is it Blaze??? I can't recall.
After talking with the rope engineers I found that died ropes have different strengths. Because of that more or less fibers were used for each pic. This leads to a tiny difference in total rope diameter. A bigger difference is a slight difference in surface texture. Think of the varieties of corduroy fabric in pants.
tomthetreeman
Participating member
- Location
- Rhode Island
Compare safety blue with hi-vee. They are supposedly the same rope, but man, they seem different to me!
-Tom
-Tom
- Location
- Orlando, FL.
In my experience its what you get used to. I hate velocity when I started climbing in it bc I was used to tachyon and my system was dialed in for the bigger line. Now after a year I'm sad to retire the velocity. I'm sure you will be happy with either one you get as long as you give it a chance.
- Location
- Randolph, MA
Sometimes the rope construction IS different between 2 supposedly similar ropes.
Yale has some lines that are re-branded by several different outfits that have different core fibers. That would definitely change the characteristics of the rope enough to notice.
All the hanks of tachyon I've climbed on have felt the same. Same for velocity and imori which I've climbed on both colors. Same ropes different dyes.
Yale has some lines that are re-branded by several different outfits that have different core fibers. That would definitely change the characteristics of the rope enough to notice.
All the hanks of tachyon I've climbed on have felt the same. Same for velocity and imori which I've climbed on both colors. Same ropes different dyes.
my next rope will be either Lava in the black and yellow or Escalator for double rope. i would like to try the KMIII for a footlocking rope. i normally use an entry rope and carry my my work line with me(tree size and experience of my helper decides which trees i climb). i do this for multiple reasons.
- Location
- Orlando, FL.
I think the armor prus would work out well. I climb mostly SRT and use the a prusik made out of the cover from 16mm HRC. It works great for DRT as well but if I switch to a regular 8mm HRC I don't have issues when SRT'ing but it sticks when DRT. I'm sure it will take some adjusting from your current setup which is expected when changing ropes. You're going to love how light weight velocity is when climbing.
- Location
- Orlando, FL.
I remember a couple years ago being surprised when I saw the different breakin strengths between safety blue and hivee/ultravee but I just checked the New England site and it says they are the same? Maybe I saw it in a sherrill catalog? I can't remember for sure but I was told its bc of the dye used. I wouldn't be surprised if one color was bouncier than th other but at the same time I don't know if it would be enough to be a deal breaker.
- Location
- rhode island
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Yale has some lines that are re-branded by several different outfits that have different core fibers.
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I'm pretty sure that is because they needed to put nylon cores in to get them CE certified. The polyester wasn't meeting European standards.
Yale has some lines that are re-branded by several different outfits that have different core fibers.
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I'm pretty sure that is because they needed to put nylon cores in to get them CE certified. The polyester wasn't meeting European standards.
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Hivee and ultravee are both listed at 7000lbs tensile on the sherrill website. I am going to take a shot in the dark on the velocity and hope that I end up with less bouncy color. (if there is any difference)
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I'm using velocity cool and there's very little bounce.
Hivee and ultravee are both listed at 7000lbs tensile on the sherrill website. I am going to take a shot in the dark on the velocity and hope that I end up with less bouncy color. (if there is any difference)
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I'm using velocity cool and there's very little bounce.
- Location
- Austria, Europe
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After hearing many climbers say that Poison Ivy in green/black was different than its original weave...is it Blaze??? I can't recall.
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I think the "original" is Blue Moon.
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After hearing many climbers say that Poison Ivy in green/black was different than its original weave...is it Blaze??? I can't recall.
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I think the "original" is Blue Moon.
moss
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Carlisle, Massachusetts, U.S.
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After hearing many climbers say that Poison Ivy in green/black was different than its original weave...is it Blaze??? I can't recall.
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I think the "original" is Blue Moon.
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I'm 99.99% sure that Poison Ivy was the first release of that rope construction. Blue Moon came later. PI is completely unrelated to Blaze.
It is possible that the bouncy color version of Tachyon is inconsistent (in stretch) because of a "tuning" problem at the mill when they were setting up for that run of rope. You might want to contact NE Ropes to discuss. Seriously doubt that pigment is going to cause a major difference in rope stretch for a given construction/brand.
-AJ
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After hearing many climbers say that Poison Ivy in green/black was different than its original weave...is it Blaze??? I can't recall.
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I think the "original" is Blue Moon.
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I'm 99.99% sure that Poison Ivy was the first release of that rope construction. Blue Moon came later. PI is completely unrelated to Blaze.
It is possible that the bouncy color version of Tachyon is inconsistent (in stretch) because of a "tuning" problem at the mill when they were setting up for that run of rope. You might want to contact NE Ropes to discuss. Seriously doubt that pigment is going to cause a major difference in rope stretch for a given construction/brand.
-AJ
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It is possible that the bouncy color version of Tachyon is inconsistent (in stretch) because of a "tuning" problem at the mill when they were setting up for that run of rope. You might want to contact NE Ropes to discuss. Seriously doubt that pigment is going to cause a major difference in rope stretch for a given construction/brand.
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I would have to agree, placebo is a crazy phenomenon and just having something be a different color may be skewing the perception. But it could very well be a change during use, different hitch cords, different wear patterns, maybe the rope being damp. I would assume that pigment would change it in some way but I doubt we would be able to perceive a difference with our hands/eyes.
As AJ said it may just be a tuning problem in the machine, they do not have just one machine set up for 1 rope so it may just be that when they set up the machine for this batch they were off. But I would hope they do a spot check / batch test before it leaves NE ropes...
I would like to see a UN colored rope, not bleached, not dyed just an ugly off white rope... and compare it with a super dyed climbing line...that would be fun.
It is possible that the bouncy color version of Tachyon is inconsistent (in stretch) because of a "tuning" problem at the mill when they were setting up for that run of rope. You might want to contact NE Ropes to discuss. Seriously doubt that pigment is going to cause a major difference in rope stretch for a given construction/brand.
-AJ
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I would have to agree, placebo is a crazy phenomenon and just having something be a different color may be skewing the perception. But it could very well be a change during use, different hitch cords, different wear patterns, maybe the rope being damp. I would assume that pigment would change it in some way but I doubt we would be able to perceive a difference with our hands/eyes.
As AJ said it may just be a tuning problem in the machine, they do not have just one machine set up for 1 rope so it may just be that when they set up the machine for this batch they were off. But I would hope they do a spot check / batch test before it leaves NE ropes...
I would like to see a UN colored rope, not bleached, not dyed just an ugly off white rope... and compare it with a super dyed climbing line...that would be fun.
