Stop the slide

You might find this interesting. I needed to fall a dead fir that was situated on the top of a hill that had a 30-40 degree slope. At the bottom of the hill were two sheds. I was worried that once the tree fell and hit the ground that it would slide down the hill and into the sheds. So I came up with this idea. After cutting the notch I installed a chain, one end warped around the tree above the notch and the other end around the tree below the notch, thinking the chain would stop the slide. I made the back cut and all worked out as planed. The tree hit the ground and stopped, no slide. The sheds are safe and untouched.
 

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We call this butt or stump roping, and using a chain to do it is a potentially dangerous idea, especially if your cutting so high. From the pic it looks like youve put alot of shock loading on the chain unnessesarily by cutting that high. But youve got the right idea.
Generally we use heavy slings, heavy rope (at least 20mm) or steel cable. We try to tie them in such a way that we can release them even if loaded as it can be VERY hard to get the weight off a big tree heading downhill. Biggest I have done was 6 foot in diameter, wielded my 5 inch line solid to itself, but it held! I scarf, then tie in the buttrope, and keep the rope as short as possible.

Firstly when working on the steep stuff you want to put as little stress on the buttrope as possible. I generally scarf as low as I can with the most open scarf I can manage (usually 90 degrees but I have flat faced a tree to avoid the scarf closing and snapping the hinge). This is so when the tree goes over the hinge wood holds, if done right you want the trunk when it comes over to lay on the ground without breaking the hinge. And if it does break the buttrope catches it (without putting excessive force on the buttrope)

Secondly you want, if possible, for the tree to come over as slow and straight as possible, most of the time trees are weighted downhill so they dont need alot of encouragement but a bit of wedging can help. The reason for the straight path is to help avoid it twising and breaking the hinge.

And last, be careful of the lay of the ground that your falling on, an even contour is fine, but if its a sharp hit like over a bank the trees butt can kick up in a huge way, it can break the head off, snap the buttrope or even tear the stump out. Also be aware that alot of tree shrapnel can end up blasting downhill when the tree hits.
Be VERY careful and get well clear once it starts moving.

Im no expert but do alot of work on steep ground.
 
I'd agree with the chain maybe not being the best idea. If that chain broke while you were nearby, you could shhot your eye out kid! I have used ropes to butt-tye logs before with good results.

Good idea, it would not be fun to chase that log down the hill.
 
A variation on this trick is to use a port-a-wrap on the stump with bull rope. You can relieve tension after the log/tree is felled. We use this trick on hills and when the log is curved.
 
I've often used another tree behind the one I'm felling to stop a slide, sometimes a porty sometimes just a few wraps around the trunk.

This method can also be used to fall small tree when there's an obstacle right near the base (low hedge, edging stones etc) to hold the butt up above once the tree falls.

We wanted to use this technique on this tree but didn't have any material big enough and long enough.
 
Thanks for the correction concerning using a chain, I didn’t think about a shock load on the chain. That’s what I like about this forum (Tree Buzz) I always learn something and you folk are willing to share. I will use a strap next time.
 
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I've often used another tree behind the one I'm felling to stop a slide, sometimes a porty sometimes just a few wraps around the trunk.

This method can also be used to fall small tree when there's an obstacle right near the base (low hedge, edging stones etc) to hold the butt up above once the tree falls.

We wanted to use this technique on this tree but didn't have any material big enough and long enough.

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Great vid, nice work on the dismantle. Glad you had enough space to chunk down like that, trees like that can tear heck out of your rigging gear. Great tip on the high tie for not crushing stuff!
 
watching the logs(after felling) slide down those hills reminds me of King Kong running through the woods. Its amazing how far they will travel. Haven't done a whole lot of work like that, but the times I have, thats what stuck out. Nice job. The tension release with the porty is a great Idea Cory. One for the ol' bag-o-tricks.
 
Out in the brush we'd set a Swede (cross setting two chokers) on the butt of the tree, and just hold it with the Cat while it's falling over. Big trees. Never seen it fail, but we are using very heavy rigging
 

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